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Post by micky107 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:24 am

Reefer2 wrote:You mean he thought the other guy right beside him would take the guy?
LOL: Always look at the other guy after a goal against.
Seriously though, the goalie has the best view. Watch who he looks at.
Miller was real good at that. :evil:
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Post by Hank » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:59 am

It makes me laugh how everyone is now dog-piling on the latest Canuck whipping boy...

No doubt Gudbranson has warts, but if you harp on his being too aggressive on the PK the last game, you have to notice just how out of position Edler and Sutter are coming back off the side boards.

It's a split second, bang-bang play with him and Dorsett having to focus on a potential wrap-around as well as a backdoor from the left D. You can tell they both bit hard for the puck going behind the net and couldn't react quick enough as the across-the-grain pass came out to Silfverberg.

That was just a clusterfuck all-around.
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Post by Strangelove » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:15 am

Hank wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone is now dog-piling on the latest Canuck whipping boy...
I blame the geeks and their "fancy stats".

KICK THEM HARD :twisted:

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Post by micky107 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:28 am

ANAL ytics. They are.
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Post by SKYO » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:26 am

My belief is the metrics nerds were harassed by tough guys growing up, hence their pleasure in going after the 3rd/4th liners & bottom pairing dmen 'tough' guys.

While I see the geeks points, they put an unhealthy biased amount of time into their attack vs a certain group of individuals on the team, where they should concentrate on every player, notably the smaller players who are not producing points and are increasingly become floating perimeter players, but alas their metrics are mediocre, I guess that is why they are sneaking by not getting harassed by the analytic nerdo's, but that is the downside of stats watching, and not using the all seeing eye watch test of every type of player that should be applauded or scrutinized.
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Post by Benjo » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:46 pm

I said he was bad in the trade thread before we got him.

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Post by micky107 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:20 pm

SKYO wrote:My belief is the metrics nerds were harassed by tough guys growing up, hence their pleasure in going after the 3rd/4th liners & bottom pairing dmen 'tough' guys.

While I see the geeks points, they put an unhealthy biased amount of time into their attack vs a certain group of individuals on the team, where they should concentrate on every player, notably the smaller players who are not producing points and are increasingly become floating perimeter players, but alas their metrics are mediocre, I guess that is why they are sneaking by not getting harassed by the analytic nerdo's, but that is the downside of stats watching, and not using the all seeing eye watch test of every type of player that should be applauded or scrutinized.
+1 Ya, exactly. Too easy to be selective in criticism and too easy to skew what was a good performance.
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Post by vic » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:01 pm

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The fringe defender with his head in the clouds
That's on Pouliot more than it's on Guds.

Pouliout had Silverberg covered and Guds was trying to stop the potential wrap around. Pouliot backed off of Silverberg and left him wide open with no pressure.

That and Edler just letting his man walk right to the net with ZERO contact.

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Post by Hank » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:38 pm

You mean Dorsett and not Pouliot?

Yes, typically the Dmen are tight around the posts to prevent wrap-arounds and easy passes out from behind the net and will come out further to attack the slot when the puck is at the point.

The problem is Edler is so far out that he can't recover to his post and Sutter is in no man's land. He's nowhere even close to Silfverberg in the slot or Vatenen on the point. Like I said, a clusterfuck.

It's amazing that the guy on for the most PK goals against is spared from any criticism. I'm talking about Bo "Knows nothing about the PK". He has this defensive reputation when in reality is below average in his own zone. He drifts all over the place and is easily faked out of position and structure.
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Post by Strangelove » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:52 pm

SKYO wrote:My belief is the metrics nerds were harassed by tough guys growing up, hence their pleasure in going after the 3rd/4th liners & bottom pairing dmen 'tough' guys.

While I see the geeks points, they put an unhealthy biased amount of time into their attack vs a certain group of individuals on the team, where they should concentrate on every player, notably the smaller players who are not producing points and are increasingly become floating perimeter players, but alas their metrics are mediocre, I guess that is why they are sneaking by not getting harassed by the analytic nerdo's, but that is the downside of stats watching, and not using the all seeing eye watch test of every type of player that should be applauded or scrutinized.
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Post by Strangelove » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:53 pm

Benjo wrote:I said he was bad in the trade thread before we got him.
... an opinion based no doubt on fancy stats.
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Post by Topper » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:57 pm

I am an aficionado of stats and so called "fancy stats". Unfortunately the numbers used in these amateur hockey analysis are complete bunk.
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.

I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.

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Post by TDA Rum » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:59 pm

The 2 teams, Arizona & Florida, most heavily built with analytics are both last in their respective conferences...

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Post by Hank » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:19 pm

"Lies, damned lies, and fancy statistics" is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments. It is also sometimes colloquially used to doubt statistics used to prove an opponent's point.

Analytics are good. Constantly using stats for one argument while completely ignoring the same stats for similar arguments? Is weak.
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