Diehard1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:31 pm
Don’t have a ton of time but I will respond to a few points:
- great that Guddy’s partners make him worse, even though to a man they’ve all been better without him on the ice. Check the fancy stats!
You
must be kidding me!
Are you blissfully unaware that The Guds is epicentre of the great debate:
Incontestable Fancy Stats vs Problematic Fancy Stats (especially when it comes to physical shutdown dmen)
But yes, let's use fancy stats to settle this debate ROFLMAO!
That's fair!!
Anyway, you missed the point.
That being "EG, like many dmen, needs the
right partner in order to shine".
Not "better partner according to fancy stats"... but the
right partner for EG.
The Guds thrived with Campbell in Florida
... the closest that he might find here are as I suggested: Edler and Juolevi.
Diehard1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:31 pm
- where did I say top 4 was ‘wracked’ with injuries?
Tanev has missed games sure, but he does that every year. Edler too.
Ummmm... you just said it again.
Diehard1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:31 pm
Guddy the same with his wrist, but he’s not one of the top 4 in my books
The year he missed half the season with that wrist injury he was Top 4 in icetime (tied with Tanev at 20:20 MPG).
He was also Top 4 in icetime the season before that in Florida, where he faced the toughest icetime on the team.
(defensive zone starts + playing versus the toughest competition)
BTW he had the
highest icetime on the team in the playoffs that year, and
12th highest average icetime in the league.
So far this year he is 5th on the team in average icetime but there are reasons for that.
With only 30 games played, leaving games early after injury/suspension affects those numbers more than you'd think.
(left one game after just 1:15 minutes played, another after 9:46)
(also, as often happens, he was eased back in upon return after injuries = low minutes for 7 games or so)
In the past 7 games he's finally back up to averaging the 20+ minutes per game he averaged the previous 2 seasons.
In
my books, he's a #4.
So yeah, that's 3 of the Top 4 missing significant time with injuries.
(recall this convo was all about you asking how the D-corps gets better, one of my answers: Better luck in the Injury Department)
(the others: one or more of the young dee step up, Juolevi, Tryamkin - eventually)
Diehard1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:31 pm
, that’s MDZ who plays an average 3 minutes more per game and has played all of them.
Yes, MDZ is the only one of the wracked-by-injuries Top 4 to escape injury this year.
(btw you tend to jump around a lot from this year, last year, the last few years, even the last 10 years at one point)
Diehard1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:31 pm
- what is being competitive if you lose more than anybody save the Coyotes, who seem to actually be trying to suck. How has anything in the past 3 years been competitive? It floors me to think someone could say this with a straight face.
AGAIN: He is obviously running with a different definition of the word "competitive" than you are... deal with it.
It obviously doesn't mean "winning games" because he has stated a few times the team
IS being competitive.
(he said that as recently as 9 days ago)
He has defined it in the past as "being
in hockey games, with a chance to win" and whatnot.
He hasn't "brought in all these vets to win hockey games" so much as "providing placeholders and mentorship for the kids".
Yes the first couple of years he (well mostly Linden) said "The goal is to make the playoffs"
... but one says those things at that point in time for the sake of pushing your players and ticket sales.
Diehard1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:31 pm
What I have a keen interest in is asset management. Not trading 3 assets for Guddy
That was 3 assets for Guddy
plus an asset.
A
24-year-old Top 4 dee Guddy btw...
Diehard1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:31 pm
, don’t throw away picks or prospects on guys like Clendening
That was young player in Europe for young player in NA at a time Canucks were setting records for injury.
Clendening played 17 straight games due to those injuries.
Also Forsling is yet to become the god all the Benning-bashers said he would be, he's biting boners on the farm right now...
Diehard1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:31 pm
, Larsen
5th round pick for a 26-year-old... meh.
Diehard1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:31 pm
, Etem
Young bust forward Jensen for young bust forward Etem - both now playing in Europe.
What exactly are you complaing about here.
Diehard1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:31 pm
, Sutter
... but they didn't "throw away picks or prospects" on Sutter.
As has been stated many times, Canucks only dropped 9 spots in the pick upgrade they gave up in the Bonino/Sutter trade.
(from 55th to 63rd)
And they still got the man they would have taken at 55th (Lockwood).
Again you have nothing to complain about here.
Diehard1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:31 pm
, Prust
That 5th rounder given up was the price paid to unload then out-of-control substance-abuser Kassian.
Meh.
Diehard1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:31 pm
, Vey
This was 29-year-old Garrison for 22-year-old Vey.
The 50th overall pick received for Garrison on the afternoon of June 27/14 (first day of 2014 draft)
... was given to LA for Vey on the morning of June 28/14 (second day of 2014 draft).
The pick was the currency for the Garrison/Vey trade.
Too bad Mr Vey was driven mad when his dad tried to kill his mom, he might've been a great NHLer....
Diehard1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:31 pm
, Pedan
A 3rd round draft pick given up for a young dman drafted in the 3rd round three years previously.
Meh.
Diehard1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:31 pm
. Even the Baertschi deal which everyone seems to think is a home run for Jimbo brought the Flamers Rasmus Andersson
Lol and which of the two has the higher value as an "asset" right now... Mr Asset Manager.
Diehard1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:31 pm
The ‘remain competitive’ and ‘leadership and culture’ team Jimbo has tried to build has failed miserably.
Has it Diehard...
HAS IT
BTW I love how you ignored my point about young college player signings and the vets-for prospects trades...