Competitive and/or Contending

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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Post by Ronning's Ghost » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:20 pm

Reefer2 wrote:Canucks will become serious contenders after the 2020 season.
So, serious contender in the 2020/2021 season ?

To me, "serious contender" means finishing in the top 6 in the league in regular season points and goal differential, and at least six playoff wins. What does it mean to you ?

More importantly, if the Canucks are serious contenders in the 2020/2021 season, do you think that will mean that Jim Benning has done a good job with the rebuild ? Average ? Genius-level ?
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Post by Topper » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:59 pm

Now Reef is agreeing with Doc's timeline.

Good grief? Reef.
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.

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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Post by Reefer2 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:14 pm

Topper wrote:Now Reef is agreeing with Doc's timeline.

Good grief? Reef.
Really Top?

You can't add?

I said after 2020 season.

SL says 1-2 seasons from now but he never clarified what he meant by it.

I on the other hand said after 2020 season they can start seriously contending. As this is 2017 and next season is 17/18 and then 18/19 and then 19/20 so not sure what school you went to my timeline is longer than 1-2 years.

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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Post by Reefer2 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:18 pm

Ronning's Ghost wrote:
Reefer2 wrote:Canucks will become serious contenders after the 2020 season.
So, serious contender in the 2020/2021 season ?

To me, "serious contender" means finishing in the top 6 in the league in regular season points and goal differential, and at least six playoff wins. What does it mean to you ?

More importantly, if the Canucks are serious contenders in the 2020/2021 season, do you think will mean that Jim Benning has done a good job with the rebuild ? Average ? Genius-level ?
Good question RG.

I do not think any team can just make the playoffs and win the cup the same year. What I expect is the team will learn how to win in the playoffs after 2020 season. Maybe a round then 2-3 rounds in 2021/22 and then who knows.

I remember when Crosby lost in their first big season, the announcer said he was young and learning how to win in the playoffs. That is what I see from the Nucks as well.

Not as quick as everyone wants but it is what it is.

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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Post by Island Nucklehead » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:40 pm

We might be even worse next season.

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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Post by BladesofSteel » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:57 pm

Unless this team endures a record number of injuries next year, I don't see them being worse than last.

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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Post by Strangelove » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:40 pm

Ronning's Ghost wrote:
Strangelove wrote: 2b) How about "look good enough to get everyone on this board excited about the future"? :hmmm:
Well that's just setting yourself up for failure. Even if you polled everyone on this board (even though, as you [patiently] explained to me, you hate polls) about whether they were excited about the [Canucks'] future, you would need only one sourpuss holdout to fail.
See, that's part of the reason why I said I hate polls

... some people will always vote opposite to how they truly feel.

Soooo Cliffy, have I "set myself up for failure"... or set myself up for success. :sly:

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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Post by Strangelove » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:42 pm

Reefer2 wrote: SL says 1-2 seasons from now but he never clarified what he meant by it.
:hmmm:

http://www.canuckscorner.com/forums/vie ... 18#p272118
Reefer2 [color=#FF0000]Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:36 am[/color] wrote: No disrespect Mick but sometimes I dont get your posts? Hell sometimes I dont get my posts a day later and I rarely get Doc's posts.
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Post by Island Nucklehead » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:50 pm

RG, it's pointless trying to get Doc to elaborate on his rationales/metrics for the timeline, deliberately vague for a reason.

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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Post by Strangelove » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:05 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:RG, it's pointless trying to get Doc to elaborate on his rationales/metrics for the timeline, deliberately vague for a reason.
Well here's ole Nucklehead, late to the party yet already hammered.

Try to focus on 1-2 years from now.

Canucks will have made the playoffs and looked good enough to have folks clamouring aboard the train.

(the obvious metrics of a non-top-team making the playoffs is 90-ish points, unless they change the system)

My clearly stated rationale for this timeline:

- Old core must be gone (read Sedins).

- The evident genius of James Elmer Benning as a builder of a new core.

A bold prediction from the Great Strangelove (and He made it 2 years ago!).

Tis a shame you are not man enough to make bold predictions about the future of my Canucks. :mex:
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Post by Topper » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:47 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Reefer2 wrote: SL says 1-2 seasons from now but he never clarified what he meant by it.
:hmmm:

http://www.canuckscorner.com/forums/vie ... 18#p272118
Reefer2 [color=#FF0000]Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:36 am[/color] wrote: No disrespect Mick but sometimes I dont get your posts? Hell sometimes I dont get my posts a day later and I rarely get Doc's posts.
Good grief? Reef.
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.

I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.

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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Post by Madcombinepilot » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:28 am

Reefer2 wrote:How about a top 5 pick and another 20-25 puck Skyo.

With the current lotto system, 5th is the best we will ever get
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Post by Reefer2 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:54 am

Topper wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
Reefer2 wrote: SL says 1-2 seasons from now but he never clarified what he meant by it.
:hmmm:

http://www.canuckscorner.com/forums/vie ... 18#p272118
Reefer2 [color=#FF0000]Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:36 am[/color] wrote: No disrespect Mick but sometimes I dont get your posts? Hell sometimes I dont get my posts a day later and I rarely get Doc's posts.
Good grief? Reef.
You sound like Charlie Brown......

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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Post by SKYO » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:41 am

Madcombinepilot wrote:
Reefer2 wrote:How about a top 5 pick and another 20-25 puck Skyo.

With the current lotto system, 5th is the best we will ever get
Remember the good ol' days when the worst team got 25% odds for 1st overall and teams could not move up more than 4 spots, nor a club would not move down more than one position in the draft order.

Ah yes, those were the days...when the Canucks never "tanked".

Nowadays the team that tanks has a better shot at 4th overall, but that has to be one of the worst teams ever to tank that bad, it truly is a lottery with bad odds that get worse if you lose that first lotto pick.

So to increase a teams chances at acquiring talent in the draft, the best way is to acquire more picks & have good quality scouts.

ps time to move Edler for picks/prospect.
A long time ago, a baseball player remarked: "If I owned a ballclub, I'd hire a $5,000 coach and a $15,000 scout."

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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Post by micky107 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:20 pm

I remember the best old days before 1995.
Go back to that and make owners sign a "Level of Compete" clause that could be investigated, if need be.
An investigation would not only involve owners, presidents, GMs and coaches but player interviews as well.
To be done swiftly and decisively...
"evolution"

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