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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Postby Reefer2 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:12 pm

How about a top 5 pick and another 20-25 puck Skyo.
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Postby Ronning's Ghost » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:20 pm

Reefer2 wrote:Canucks will become serious contenders after the 2020 season.


So, serious contender in the 2020/2021 season ?

To me, "serious contender" means finishing in the top 6 in the league in regular season points and goal differential, and at least six playoff wins. What does it mean to you ?

More importantly, if the Canucks are serious contenders in the 2020/2021 season, do you think that will mean that Jim Benning has done a good job with the rebuild ? Average ? Genius-level ?
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Postby Topper » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:59 pm

Now Reef is agreeing with Doc's timeline.

Good grief? Reef.
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Postby Reefer2 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:14 pm

Topper wrote:Now Reef is agreeing with Doc's timeline.

Good grief? Reef.


Really Top?

You can't add?

I said after 2020 season.

SL says 1-2 seasons from now but he never clarified what he meant by it.

I on the other hand said after 2020 season they can start seriously contending. As this is 2017 and next season is 17/18 and then 18/19 and then 19/20 so not sure what school you went to my timeline is longer than 1-2 years.
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Postby Reefer2 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:18 pm

Ronning's Ghost wrote:
Reefer2 wrote:Canucks will become serious contenders after the 2020 season.


So, serious contender in the 2020/2021 season ?

To me, "serious contender" means finishing in the top 6 in the league in regular season points and goal differential, and at least six playoff wins. What does it mean to you ?

More importantly, if the Canucks are serious contenders in the 2020/2021 season, do you think will mean that Jim Benning has done a good job with the rebuild ? Average ? Genius-level ?


Good question RG.

I do not think any team can just make the playoffs and win the cup the same year. What I expect is the team will learn how to win in the playoffs after 2020 season. Maybe a round then 2-3 rounds in 2021/22 and then who knows.

I remember when Crosby lost in their first big season, the announcer said he was young and learning how to win in the playoffs. That is what I see from the Nucks as well.

Not as quick as everyone wants but it is what it is.
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Postby Island Nucklehead » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:40 pm

We might be even worse next season.
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Postby BladesofSteel » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:57 pm

Unless this team endures a record number of injuries next year, I don't see them being worse than last.
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Postby Strangelove » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:40 pm

Ronning's Ghost wrote:
Strangelove wrote:2b) How about "look good enough to get everyone on this board excited about the future"? :hmmm:


Well that's just setting yourself up for failure. Even if you polled everyone on this board (even though, as you [patiently] explained to me, you hate polls) about whether they were excited about the [Canucks'] future, you would need only one sourpuss holdout to fail.


See, that's part of the reason why I said I hate polls

... some people will always vote opposite to how they truly feel.

Soooo Cliffy, have I "set myself up for failure"... or set myself up for success. :sly:

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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Postby Strangelove » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:42 pm

Reefer2 wrote:SL says 1-2 seasons from now but he never clarified what he meant by it.


:hmmm:

viewtopic.php?p=272118#p272118
Reefer2 Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:36 am wrote:No disrespect Mick but sometimes I dont get your posts? Hell sometimes I dont get my posts a day later and I rarely get Doc's posts.
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Postby Island Nucklehead » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:50 pm

RG, it's pointless trying to get Doc to elaborate on his rationales/metrics for the timeline, deliberately vague for a reason.
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Postby Strangelove » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:05 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:RG, it's pointless trying to get Doc to elaborate on his rationales/metrics for the timeline, deliberately vague for a reason.


Well here's ole Nucklehead, late to the party yet already hammered.

Try to focus on 1-2 years from now.

Canucks will have made the playoffs and looked good enough to have folks clamouring aboard the train.

(the obvious metrics of a non-top-team making the playoffs is 90-ish points, unless they change the system)

My clearly stated rationale for this timeline:

- Old core must be gone (read Sedins).

- The evident genius of James Elmer Benning as a builder of a new core.

A bold prediction from the Great Strangelove (and He made it 2 years ago!).

Tis a shame you are not man enough to make bold predictions about the future of my Canucks. :mex:
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Postby Topper » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:47 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Reefer2 wrote:SL says 1-2 seasons from now but he never clarified what he meant by it.


:hmmm:

viewtopic.php?p=272118#p272118
Reefer2 Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:36 am wrote:No disrespect Mick but sometimes I dont get your posts? Hell sometimes I dont get my posts a day later and I rarely get Doc's posts.

Good grief? Reef.
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Postby Madcombinepilot » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:28 am

Reefer2 wrote:How about a top 5 pick and another 20-25 puck Skyo.



With the current lotto system, 5th is the best we will ever get
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Postby Reefer2 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:54 am

Topper wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
Reefer2 wrote:SL says 1-2 seasons from now but he never clarified what he meant by it.


:hmmm:

viewtopic.php?p=272118#p272118
Reefer2 Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:36 am wrote:No disrespect Mick but sometimes I dont get your posts? Hell sometimes I dont get my posts a day later and I rarely get Doc's posts.

Good grief? Reef.


You sound like Charlie Brown......
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Re: Competitive and/or Contending

Postby SKYO » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:41 am

Madcombinepilot wrote:
Reefer2 wrote:How about a top 5 pick and another 20-25 puck Skyo.



With the current lotto system, 5th is the best we will ever get


Remember the good ol' days when the worst team got 25% odds for 1st overall and teams could not move up more than 4 spots, nor a club would not move down more than one position in the draft order.

Ah yes, those were the days...when the Canucks never "tanked".

Nowadays the team that tanks has a better shot at 4th overall, but that has to be one of the worst teams ever to tank that bad, it truly is a lottery with bad odds that get worse if you lose that first lotto pick.

So to increase a teams chances at acquiring talent in the draft, the best way is to acquire more picks & have good quality scouts.

ps time to move Edler for picks/prospect.
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