The Rebuild...

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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Island Nucklehead » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:08 pm

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What if the Kings want to move some pieces? Do you go after Doughty to get that Number 1 D for Skyo? trade for a year or wait til he's UFA?
Same age as Tanev and hasn't missed a game in 4 years.
Kinda like Karlsson, he’d have to come with an extension. If he came with an extension, he’d cost too much. Likely our best prospect, a player that can play now, and a first rounder.

So Pettersen, Tanev and our 2019 first? No thanks.

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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by micky107 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:57 pm

Weber is kinda slowin down.
Weber is gettin kinda chubby.
The shot is still there; If he has a ton of time.
Not really much of an upgrade to Edler?
I thought we were keeping cap space. :mrgreen:
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by ESQ » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:01 am

Who would you rather:

32 years old, $7.857 mil cap hit, under contract to age 40 Shea Weber; or

33 years old, $6.875 cap hit, under contract to age 39 Brent Seabrook?

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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by micky107 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:01 am

ESQ wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:01 am
Who would you rather:

32 years old, $7.857 mil cap hit, under contract to age 40 Shea Weber; or

33 years old, $6.875 cap hit, under contract to age 39 Brent Seabrook?
Well, just for perspective, of course.
32 year old, (birthday was Friday), one year left on a 5 million cap hit contract.
Wants to stay and would more than likely, give a good discount of no more than 4 mill. on a 3 year deal.
Frugal?, maybe. That's what I'd do.
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by SKYO » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:37 am

Blackhawks would add picks/prospects to Seabrook to shed that contract, and could retain 15%-20% salary possibly.

While the Habs would want a premium still for Weber out of pride's sake as they gave up PK Subban for that dude.
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by micky107 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:42 am

The Hawks may finally be thinking, mmm, maybe "WE" should start thinking about gathering picks & prospects.
Dynasty officially done. oh-well. :lol:
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by SKYO » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:29 pm

I should add for next season I'd like to see Brandon Sutter fully converted to right wing, only taking faceoffs, then playing right side as he is not a possession player, nor a playmaker, he's an opportunistic forechecker who can penalty kill and pop in 20ish goals on a good year.

I think Sutter would be better suited riding shotgun on Gaudette's line.
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Strangelove » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:50 pm

ESQ wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:01 am
Who would you rather:

32 years old, $7.857 mil cap hit, under contract to age 40 Shea Weber; or

33 years old, $6.875 cap hit, under contract to age 39 Brent Seabrook?
The last 3 years of Weber's contract are at just $1M per in real dollars.

He either retires at that point or easily traded to a cap-floor team.

(if he's on LTIR by then, he definitely gets traded to a cap floor team)

(hell, the 4th-last year of that contract is only $3M real dollars)

($4.5M is the minimum on any year in Seabrook's contract)

Unlike Seabrook's contract, Weber's does not have a NMC/NTC.

Weber still has plenty of game, Seabrook not so much.

So yeah, gimmee Mr Weber.




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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by ESQ » Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:56 am

SKYO wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:37 am
Blackhawks would add picks/prospects to Seabrook to shed that contract, and could retain 15%-20% salary possibly.

While the Habs would want a premium still for Weber out of pride's sake as they gave up PK Subban for that dude.
No way does Chicago retain on Seabrook. You may get picks, but the reality is Seabrook is still a top-3 D on most teams, and probably the best dman on this team.

Doc - with Weber, I guess we'd be on the other side of the Luongo rule? If he retires early, Nashville and Montreal get dinged for cap recapture and we don't?

Makes me think the asking price on Weber would be a lot higher, but I believe in the abilities of the imaginary GMs here to get her done!

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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:27 pm

Seabrook isn’t better than Tanev and probably not better than Edler
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by ESQ » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:29 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:27 pm
Seabrook isn’t better than Tanev and probably not better than Edler
You mean, he's not better than the #1 and #2 on the "Worst Defence in the NHL"?

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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:30 pm

ESQ wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:29 pm
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:27 pm
Seabrook isn’t better than Tanev and probably not better than Edler
You mean, he's not better than the #1 and #2 on the "Worst Defence in the NHL"?
At this stage of his career he probably isn’t.

He turns like a bus nowadays
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Strangelove » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:36 pm

ESQ wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:56 am
Doc - with Weber, I guess we'd be on the other side of the Luongo rule? If he retires early, Nashville and Montreal get dinged for cap recapture and we don't?
Yup.
ESQ wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:56 am
Makes me think the asking price on Weber would be a lot higher, but I believe in the abilities of the imaginary GMs here to get her done!
Gotta love imaginary GMs! :mex:
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by ESQ » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:23 am

I thought this was quite a funny look at how the Jets (re)built a team that's looking like a contender.

Spoiler alert - the key was patience. 15 players on the roster were drafted by the organization. Only 3 minor UFA acquisitions, 4 players acquired via trade.

Of course, the flip-side to this "model" is that
(a) it took an unbelievably long time for the franchise to win its first playoff game, made the playoffs twice in 18 years, and only once in the decade prior to this season.
(b) at the end of the day, the franchise's fortunes were turned by the lucky bounce in the lottery to get Laine.

My takeaway - to get the luck to win the lottery, you gotta be bad for a looooong time.

But could you even imagine this fanbase trying to handle a Jets-style (re)build?! :lol: :lol:

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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Aaronp18 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:17 pm

Honestly, the key to most success is having a little bit of luck.

Whether it's the ability of players to stay healthy, get a slightly higher draft pick, having one of your later picks pan out and develop better than anticipated, have the puck take a bounce your way, etc.

And we are definitely due for some luck if nothing else!

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