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Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:35 pm
by 5thhorseman
ESQ wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:54 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:26 pm Fuck Goldy, cut him loose and sign Panarin. :mrgreen:
There's not a lot of winger depth, Goldy would likely sign for dirt cheap and clear waivers if it came to that.
Plus, there's nobody biting at his heels. We got 3 legit top-6. Pearson is a maybe. Virtanen probably. So who else besides Goldy?

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:44 pm
by Strangelove
DonCherry4PM wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:23 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:10 pm Let's be honest, your pre-asset management-criticism on a possible Goldie dump was the ole "shoulda pump-n-dumped".
No. It was an, if they are going to lose him for nothing, it would have been better to pump and dump.
Strangelove wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:10 pm But the pump-n-dump wouldn't have worked on Goldie, he just plain sucks too much...
Suckage (not agreeing that Goldy "plain sucks") does not preclude a pump and dump. See Exhibit A - Cody Hodgson.
Actually suckage does "preclude a pump and dump".

Cody was 10 times the player Goldie is today, younger, a centre, much better pedigree.

Goldy is a complete weenie who can't/won't backcheck and doesn't put up points.

We're talking total suckage here.

"Pump and dump EVERYBODY!" - DonCherry4PM

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:48 pm
by Strangelove
5thhorseman wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:35 pm
ESQ wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:54 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:26 pm Fuck Goldy, cut him loose and sign Panarin. :mrgreen:
There's not a lot of winger depth, Goldy would likely sign for dirt cheap and clear waivers if it came to that.
Plus, there's nobody biting at his heels. We got 3 legit top-6. Pearson is a maybe. Virtanen probably. So who else besides Goldy?
Pearson is a "maybe"? :crazy:

We've got Pearson, Baer, Leivo, Rousell on the left side.

(Jake, Boeser, Mac, Mott on the right)

FLUSH HIM

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:03 pm
by 5thhorseman
Strangelove wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:48 pm
5thhorseman wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:35 pm
ESQ wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:54 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:26 pm Fuck Goldy, cut him loose and sign Panarin. :mrgreen:
There's not a lot of winger depth, Goldy would likely sign for dirt cheap and clear waivers if it came to that.
Plus, there's nobody biting at his heels. We got 3 legit top-6. Pearson is a maybe. Virtanen probably. So who else besides Goldy?
Pearson is a "maybe"? :crazy:

We've got Pearson, Baer, Leivo, Rousell on the left side.

(Jake, Boeser, Mac, Mott on the right)

FLUSH HIM
Leivo is a slug and needs to be replaced by a better player. Rousell is great but belongs in the bottom six. We need to see more games from Pearson but looks good so far. Baer just came back from a lengthy absence due to concussion.

So yeah, plenty of opportunity still for a kid like Goldy.

I don't think he would clear waivers.

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:17 pm
by DonCherry4PM
Strangelove wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:44 pm Actually suckage does "preclude a pump and dump".

Cody was 10 times the player Goldie is today, younger, a centre, much better pedigree.

Goldy is a complete weenie who can't/won't backcheck and doesn't put up points.

We're talking total suckage here.

"Pump and dump EVERYBODY!" - DonCherry4PM
Wrong.

Wrong.

Wrong.

"Cody Hodgson didn't suck" - Strange :lol:

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:47 am
by The Brown Wizard
5thhorseman wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:03 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:48 pm
5thhorseman wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:35 pm
ESQ wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:54 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:26 pm Fuck Goldy, cut him loose and sign Panarin. :mrgreen:
There's not a lot of winger depth, Goldy would likely sign for dirt cheap and clear waivers if it came to that.
Plus, there's nobody biting at his heels. We got 3 legit top-6. Pearson is a maybe. Virtanen probably. So who else besides Goldy?
Pearson is a "maybe"? :crazy:

We've got Pearson, Baer, Leivo, Rousell on the left side.

(Jake, Boeser, Mac, Mott on the right)

FLUSH HIM
Leivo is a slug and needs to be replaced by a better player. Rousell is great but belongs in the bottom six. We need to see more games from Pearson but looks good so far. Baer just came back from a lengthy absence due to concussion.

So yeah, plenty of opportunity still for a kid like Goldy.

I don't think he would clear waivers.
I dont give up on Goldy either. I still think he puts it together one of these day and if he does...look out. He has elite talent buried below the surface.

My thoughts are waiving or moving on from Baertchi and Leivo. SB is waaaay too often injured and the other is too shitty for a tweener.

Roussel isnt top 6...or if he is we have issues

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:18 am
by ESQ
Through January 1, Goldy was on 45-point pace. Good enough for a second line winger, not good enough for a 1st line winger.

Josh Leivo with the canucks was at a 30 point pace.

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:27 am
by Micky
ESQ wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:18 am Through January 1, Goldy was on 45-point pace. Good enough for a second line winger, not good enough for a 1st line winger.

Josh Leivo with the canucks was at a 30 point pace.
Don't worry, Travy is still developing. He'll progress.

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:30 pm
by Tciso
ESQ wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:18 am Through January 1, Goldy was on 45-point pace. Good enough for a second line winger, not good enough for a 1st line winger.

Josh Leivo with the canucks was at a 30 point pace.
Sadly, I don't think Leivo is anything more than a 3rd liner. If we pay him like a 2nd liner, we'll forever hate him, kinda like the "love" Higgins got here, as he was also a 3rd liner who was forced up into the 2nd line, and never quite fit. I'd love for Leivo to be the 2nd line winger we need, but I haven't seen it in him yet.

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:48 pm
by Strangelove
Tciso wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:30 pm
ESQ wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:18 am Through January 1, Goldy was on 45-point pace. Good enough for a second line winger, not good enough for a 1st line winger.

Josh Leivo with the canucks was at a 30 point pace.
Sadly, I don't think Leivo is anything more than a 3rd liner. If we pay him like a 2nd liner, we'll forever hate him, kinda like the "love" Higgins got here, as he was also a 3rd liner who was forced up into the 2nd line, and never quite fit. I'd love for Leivo to be the 2nd line winger we need, but I haven't seen it in him yet.
For sure Leivo is a 3rd liner, and no doubt he will be paid as such.

But the kind of 3rd liner who can fill in on the 2nd line in a pinch?

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:41 pm
by rikster
ESQ wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:18 am Through January 1, Goldy was on 45-point pace. Good enough for a second line winger, not good enough for a 1st line winger.

Josh Leivo with the canucks was at a 30 point pace.
So much angst over Goldy when you have a similar player with a better shot in Reid Boucher who saw just 1 game last season...

One of the players who has stood out for me this post season is Josh Anderson in Columbus and when you look at his career its very similar to Zach MacKewan's, who is 2 years younger, minus the NHL....

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/josh-anderson

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/zack-macewen

Both are big bodied and play a heavy game, with MacKewan's playoff stats being off the charts at every level of his minor league career....

Enough of the Goldy talk, let's see MacKewan get his shot next year....

Take care....

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:01 pm
by Doyle Hargraves
Anderson would be a best case scenario for MacEwan.


Reid Boucher is a horrible skater. He makes Goldobin and Granlund look engaged. Guy would be in Travis’s doghouse full time here with his defensive play. He’s 26, he is what he is.

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:46 pm
by rikster
Blob Mckenzie wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:01 pm Anderson would be a best case scenario for MacEwan.


Reid Boucher is a horrible skater. He makes Goldobin and Granlund look engaged. Guy would be in Travis’s doghouse full time here with his defensive play. He’s 26, he is what he is.
You missed the point ...

Both players have warts in their games, but what Boucher has that Goldy doesn't is an NHL shot...

Terrible skater?

https://thehockeywriters.com/vancouver- ... potential/

For the record, Boucher ended the season with 31 goals and 62 points in 56 games on an offensively challenged team which was 3 goals behind the league leader....

https://theahl.com/stats/player-stats/a ... 1&league=4

My point is that if the media and those who parrot them are complaining about the wrong guy....they should have been clamouring for Boucher to get a longer look....

Does it matter in the long run....No...

MacKewan is a different story and where the attention should be...

Take care...

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:08 pm
by Doyle Hargraves
I didn’t miss any point. Canucks are among the slowest teams in the league. Boucher is 26 and he can’t skate. I know he has a great shot but he’s pretty much a one trick pony at the NHL level. He’s a great AHL player however.

I generally don’t give too much of a shit what the media in this town say

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:27 pm
by rikster
Blob Mckenzie wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:08 pm I didn’t miss any point. Canucks are among the slowest teams in the league. Boucher is 26 and he can’t skate. I know he has a great shot but he’s pretty much a one trick pony at the NHL level. He’s a great AHL player however.

I generally don’t give too much of a shit what the media in this town say
So you think a guy who scores 31 goals in the AHL is a terrible skater ?

https://canucksarmy.com/2018/11/20/shou ... er-chance/

Take care...