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Re: Draft Day 2016

Post by Strangelove » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:46 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Asshole falls to Calgary
Tkachuk is not an asshole, he's an ass!

(the apple doesn't fall far from the tree)

Did you catch him on Coach's Corner with the other 4 top ranked forwards.

Asked who his favorite player in the NHL is... he responded: "Corey Perry". :crazy:

Now that's bad enough in and of itself

... but he was standing next to Laine at the time who was still recovering from a Perry cheapshot.

Laine and Matthews looked at each other with WTF-smiles... Tkachuk was oblivious.

So yeah, Tkachuk is is a dumb-dumb who doesn't skate well and doesn’t backcheck.

He was playing on an awesome line with the Knights but definitely wasn't the straw stirring the drink.

As I've said all along, I was hoping for PLD at #5... but wasn't really expecting him to be there.

Flames were said to be hot for Juolevi, so pretty hard to play the trade-down game after PLD was gone.

I'm happy with Olli at #5. :mex:
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Re: Draft Day 2016

Post by Island Nucklehead » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:47 pm

so apparently Juolevi is "on loan" from his Finish pro team, and as such can go to the AHL directly? Seems a bit strange, as he was drafted by the Knights in an import draft and the Canucks picked him from the CHL. If that's the case, he could go to the AHL next year and be available as a call-up as required.

I think I'd rather have him go back to junior regardless (get bigger, save the ELC)...

Doc, got any research on this?

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Re: Draft Day 2016

Post by Strangelove » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:50 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote: Doc, got any research on this?
No, sorry, first I've heard of it... and I'm half in the bag now.

Sounds awesome though, tomorrow....
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Re: Draft Day 2016

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:15 pm

Warming up to this pick but wanted the top line forward potential and asshole factor of Little Walt. Fuck it if the Finn can be an Ohlund type player , I'm in. Top pairing d are hard to find. Would have rather seen Tkachuk in Phoenix though, have a bad feeling Alberta is going to be laying some beatings this way over the next couple years.

I just wish Elmer would clean up his act a bit and start behaving like a professional. Every time he opens his yap he sounds like he just wolfed back a 26 of Canadian Club. Between they and the potential tampering charge he needs to understand he's a figurehead of a huge business. This isn't Pacific Blue offering to tint the windows at the Dufferin for Freestyle Friday's.
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Re: Draft Day 2016

Post by Sticky » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:22 pm

Is it just me?...
Or does the Detroit Darlings/Arizona Special Needs deal smell funny?

I probably just don't understand how the rules work... But how is it that the (apparently retroactively illegal) Luongo deal will cost the Canucks dearly should he decide to retire (obviously completely beyond their control), while Datsyuk openly retires, leaving Detroit hanging with his 7+million in cap... And they are permitted to artificially create cap space by dumping that contract to Arizona (who want to "circumvent" the cap floor)?

Smells like c(r)ap circumvention.

But hey... Detroit/Arizona. Nuff said.


Happy enough with the pick at #5 though... Feels relatively safe. Risks are going to have to be taken at some point though, and like others have mentioned... I'd much rather see Benning take risks to obtain picks rather than taking chances on trades/FA signings.

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Re: Draft Day 2016

Post by Island Nucklehead » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:41 pm

Where is the Dude in all this?
RoyalDude wrote:Dude on this picI would have serious HFboard Benning hate like the Blob'IN crew if we don't walk out of this draft with one of Tkachuk or PLD. I'm sorry but we got bigger problems at forward once the 36 year old Sedins retire than we do at defence. Juolevi, Sergachyov and Chychrun are "maybe" top pairing D men while PLD and Tkachuk are pretty much guaranteed first line players.

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Re: Draft Day 2016

Post by Hockey Widow » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:41 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:so apparently Juolevi is "on loan" from his Finish pro team, and as such can go to the AHL directly? Seems a bit strange, as he was drafted by the Knights in an import draft and the Canucks picked him from the CHL. If that's the case, he could go to the AHL next year and be available as a call-up as required.

I think I'd rather have him go back to junior regardless (get bigger, save the ELC)...

Doc, got any research on this?

They were talking about this at the draft in relation to another Finn. Something about his rights were owned by the Finnish team who lent them to the OHL team. Therefore he can go back to Finland, stay in the OHL, or go to the AHL. But I didn't hear this in relation to Juolevi.

Not sure of the rule or exactly how it works either but they said it is a quirk/loophole in the system. It was the same one that allowed Nylander to be assigned to the Marlies and not have to go back to junior. But the player must be signed to his ELC first.
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Re: Draft Day 2016

Post by Island Nucklehead » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:51 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:It was the same one that allowed Nylander to be assigned to the Marlies and not have to go back to junior. But the player must be signed to his ELC first.
I understand that HW. But William Nylander never played in the CHL. Same one that allowed Mikko Rantanen to play in the AHL this year, they never played in the CHL. Juolevi was drafted by the London Knights, and the Canucks drafted him from the London Knights. Seems to be a lot of talk that this guy could go straight to the AHL if we want him there, but wouldn't that be circumventing the NHL-CHL agreement?

Either way, I'd rather season him in Junior for a year or two, time his arrival to that of Brock Boesser, perhaps.

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Re: Draft Day 2016

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:01 pm

The dude is doing the Matt Cooke turtle sniffing meth and chanting Mathew Tkachuks name
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Re: Draft Day 2016

Post by Hockey Widow » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:25 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:It was the same one that allowed Nylander to be assigned to the Marlies and not have to go back to junior. But the player must be signed to his ELC first.
I understand that HW. But William Nylander never played in the CHL. Same one that allowed Mikko Rantanen to play in the AHL this year, they never played in the CHL. Juolevi was drafted by the London Knights, and the Canucks drafted him from the London Knights. Seems to be a lot of talk that this guy could go straight to the AHL if we want him there, but wouldn't that be circumventing the NHL-CHL agreement?

Either way, I'd rather season him in Junior for a year or two, time his arrival to that of Brock Boesser, perhaps.
Ya I don't know IN. I heard them talking in relation to another Finn that was drafted, not Juolevi so I don't know. It is being reported, as well on another thread here, that Benning has confirmed his status and said he may play in Utica next year. But I have yet to see a confirmed link to that. I'm sure we'll get some type of explanation. Once he signs his ELC I would love to see him n Utica.
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Re: Draft Day 2016

Post by Hockey Widow » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:26 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:The dude is doing the Matt Cooke turtle sniffing meth and chanting Mathew Tkachuks name

You and Dude playing musical chairs again? :roll:
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Re: Draft Day 2016

Post by Hockey Widow » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:41 pm

Ok, I'm calmer.

Word out there is that Edmonton was set to pick Juolevi at 4 but Columbus crossed them up. So if Columbus had stuck to the script we would have had Dubois and Taychook would still have fallen to the Flames.

Several GMs now stating they had Juolevi slotted as the 3rd over all. We're surprised he dropped to 5th.

Dubois showing during a half a season playing centre and his pre draft interviews were what convinced Columbus to go for him. They have an organization need for a centre and other GMs saying they weren't surprised since they didn't need D.

Knocks on Taychook:

Skating
Lack of a 200' game
hockey IQ as compared to others selected ahead of him

I don't have much in the way of expectations for Saturday. But Benning has plucked a gem or two n later rounds. Maybe he gets lucky tomorrow.
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Re: Draft Day 2016

Post by BurningBeard » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:49 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:IQ as compared to others selected ahead of him
Good pickup for the Flames, should fit in.
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Re: Draft Day 2016

Post by ukcanuck » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:01 am

Hockey Widow wrote:Ok, I'm calmer.

Word out there is that Edmonton was set to pick Juolevi at 4 but Columbus crossed them up. So if Columbus had stuck to the script we would have had Dubois and Taychook would still have fallen to the Flames.

Several GMs now stating they had Juolevi slotted as the 3rd over all. We're surprised he dropped to 5th.

Dubois showing during a half a season playing centre and his pre draft interviews were what convinced Columbus to go for him. They have an organization need for a centre and other GMs saying they weren't surprised since they didn't need D.

Knocks on Taychook:

Skating
Lack of a 200' game
hockey IQ as compared to others selected ahead of him

I don't have much in the way of expectations for Saturday. But Benning has plucked a gem or two n later rounds. Maybe he gets lucky tomorrow.

lack of a 200' game alone would keep him on the bench or in the minors as far as WD would be concerned.

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Re: Draft Day 2016

Post by Lancer » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:55 am

Hockey Widow wrote:Word out there is that Edmonton was set to pick Juolevi at 4 but Columbus crossed them up. So if Columbus had stuck to the script we would have had Dubois and Taychook would still have fallen to the Flames.

Dubois showing during a half a season playing centre and his pre draft interviews were what convinced Columbus to go for him. They have an organization need for a centre and other GMs saying they weren't surprised since they didn't need D.
The more I think about Dubois going to Columbus, the more I see how they saw him as an eventual replacement for Ryan Johanssen. I can imagine Torts loving this kid.
Hockey Widow wrote:Several GMs now stating they had Juolevi slotted as the 3rd over all. We're surprised he dropped to 5th.
What surprises me more about that statement is how far Puljujarvi fell in relation to the rest if Juolevi was 3rd overall in their eyes, and then to have Dubois taken ahead of him. I'd heard of whispers among scouts about Puljujarvi's hockey IQ, but I wonder what else worked against him relative to the others?

Kind of makes you wonder why Edmonton didn't pick Juolevi, but then again it may be a case of varying organizations having significantly different draft orders. Either way, Edmonton gets another beefy forward with skill which doesn't bode well for the rest of the division. Regardless, I'd rather Edmonton had picked Juolevi so we could see the kid get caved in by the likes of whoever the Canucks would draft between Puljujarvi or Tkachuk than vice versa. Spilled milk in the end and it is what it is when Benning has to choose from among what is left.

We'll see how Benning makes lemonade out of this but you can't help but wonder if he couldn't have got more overall value out of that pick by trading down. Yeah, Juolevi may well have been the best defenceman available but nobody would call him a potential NHL stud defenceman. How much sense, then, does it make to use (hopefully) his highest pick in one of the deeper drafts over the next couple years on a player who will almost certainly never be uttered in the same sentence as 'Norris Trophy'?
Hockey Widow wrote:Knocks on Taychook:
Skating
Lack of a 200' game
hockey IQ as compared to others selected ahead of him
Even MT admitted he needed to work on his skating. The 200' game thing seems odd because the scouting reports noted that he played hard at both ends. Maybe a matter of IQ not meeting effort. As for hockey IQ, maybe scouts saw him as the beneficiary of two super linemates than vice versa. I dunno, but sounds like teachable stuff but maybe Benning prizes brains over brawn (then why pick Virtanen?)
Hockey Widow wrote:I don't have much in the way of expectations for Saturday. But Benning has plucked a gem or two n later rounds. Maybe he gets lucky tomorrow.
We'll see what he can do in the 3rd round and after. What are the odds Cliffy's son gets called by Benning and Co.?
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