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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:04 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:
Cherry Picker wrote:Basically the opinion of the signings is they are fair signings for decent players at a decent term, and would be good deals for anyone outside of Vancouver; but, Vancouver should be trying to purposefully lose like Toronto did to get Matthews. Of course there is no recognition that no matter how poorly the Canucks do they won't get the first pick over all, or that the idea of sport is to try and not purposefully tank like Toronto did.

So right on. Even tank nation is starting to understand that tanking no longer guarantees a top three pick. Heck Buffalo is still hurting over losing out on McJesus and they love Eichel. And what could have been for us hurts enough but yet somehow it's Benning's fault.

Neither Toronto nor Edmonton would be on this sudden reemergence had they not drafted McJesus and Matthews yet somehow their GMs are in the genius mode. if we had drafted top 2 last year and again this year then we'd be getting ready to push back into the playoffs, transition plan away from the twins expidited, twins properly pushed into a secondary role.

That's the value of a generational player. That's why they are called generational or franchise players. Their impact can be that sudden and that powerful. Not every team has one. Some have more than one or 1.5 of one. And having a generational player is inviting to other players who want to play with them.
Not sure who "tank nation" is but I've never seen anyone blame Benning for losing the lottery. I've only seen him blamed for hemorrhaging draft picks and for signing mediocre players to bloated contracts and overpaying for slugs in trades. Furthermore Toronto, Edmonton and Buffalo aren't just better because of Mathews, Mcdavid and Eichel. They have other good young players as well. These teams are far deeper in young talent than Vancouver.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by RoyalDude » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:47 pm

Holy fuck Bubble Bath, what's with you? To say that the Leafs and Oilers would still be the darlings of the league without Matthews or McDavid is proof you are very damaged by alcoholism.
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Post by Blob Mckenzie » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:49 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Holy fuck Bubble Bath, what's with you? To say that the Leafs and Oilers would still be the darlings of the league without Matthews or McDavid is proof you are very damaged by alcoholism.
I just said they have more young talent than Vancouver regardless of winning the lottery. You have trouble reading ?
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by Strangelove » Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:01 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote: Neither Toronto nor Edmonton would be on this sudden reemergence had they not drafted McJesus and Matthews yet somehow their GMs are in the genius mode.
Not sure who "tank nation" is but I've never seen anyone blame Benning for losing the lottery.
Mondi and a couple others have said Leaves/Oil are smarter than Nucks based on their sudden turnaround.

If Canucks had won say the Matthews lottery, no doubt they would be golden in the eyes of said folk.
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Post by Strangelove » Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:02 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Holy fuck Bubble Bath, what's with you? To say that the Leafs and Oilers would still be the darlings of the league without Matthews or McDavid is proof you are very damaged by alcoholism.
I just said they have more young talent than Vancouver regardless of winning the lottery. You have trouble reading ?
Holy fuck Bubble Bath! :lol:
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Post by Reefer2 » Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:45 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Holy fuck Bubble Bath, what's with you? To say that the Leafs and Oilers would still be the darlings of the league without Matthews or McDavid is proof you are very damaged by alcoholism.
I just said they have more young talent than Vancouver regardless of winning the lottery. You have trouble reading ?
RD has selective reading.

Doc has selective posting.

I can't spell.

Blob is a tiny tiny tiny tiny bit negative on our beloved GM.

But we all fracking hate Toronto SN.

To come off pretending not to be biased really pisses me off. I may be a jackass but every time I hear them having financial troubles I love it. Maybe if they stopped sticking their heads up the Jays and Laughs ass they may get more people running in.

To hear that Laughs got a A for their FA day is pure bs.

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Post by Cherry Picker » Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:51 pm

Just don't see how people who want the Canucks to rebuild could moan about this deadline. At worse, all these contacts have created depth that can be traded for more draft picks at a future deadline. At best we go on an improbable run make the playoffs and win the cup. Either way these short contract signings allow the prospects to developed a bit before they are thrown into the fray. Only haters or staff from SN Toronto would find fault with these signings because they won't allow the Canucks to lose enough to be considered a "successful" season. Mind you for the last decade prior to last season, success for the Leaves and Coilers is planning to have the worse record possible even before the season starts.
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Post by DonCherry4PM » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:39 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote: Neither Toronto nor Edmonton would be on this sudden reemergence had they not drafted McJesus and Matthews yet somehow their GMs are in the genius mode.
Not sure who "tank nation" is but I've never seen anyone blame Benning for losing the lottery.
Mondi and a couple others have said Leaves/Oil are smarter than Nucks based on their sudden turnaround.

If Canucks had won say the Matthews lottery, no doubt they would be golden in the eyes of said folk.
I think most would agree that, had we somehow nabbed McDavid or Matthews, the rebuild would be quite a bit further on. That isn't to say it would be completed, just a large piece of the puzzle obtained. But both of the teams to whom you refer do have more talented youth that are either knocking at the door to the NHL or have already stepped through the door and onto the ice. That isn't to say that our stable of youth couldn't turn out to be as good eventually, just that it needs substantially more time to develop to see what the outcome will be.

[Edit - Before I get accused of being an OIler's style rebuild proponent, let me be clear. I am not. Neither do I think Benning is to blame for the lottery losses. Even now, knowing that we have lost the lotto, I'd rather have the 5th pick than have the 14th.]
Cherry Picker wrote:Just don't see how people who want the Canucks to rebuild could moan about this deadline.

Yeah, but I don't think O'Neil speaks for very many Canucks fans, if any. On this site at least, the only comments I can recall reading range from qualified approval to all-out adoration.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by micky107 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:54 am

Reefer2 wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Holy fuck Bubble Bath, what's with you? To say that the Leafs and Oilers would still be the darlings of the league without Matthews or McDavid is proof you are very damaged by alcoholism.
I just said they have more young talent than Vancouver regardless of winning the lottery. You have trouble reading ?
RD has selective reading.

Doc has selective posting.

I can't spell.

Blob is a tiny tiny tiny tiny bit negative on our beloved GM.

But we all fracking hate Toronto SN.

To come off pretending not to be biased really pisses me off. I may be a jackass but every time I hear them having financial troubles I love it. Maybe if they stopped sticking their heads up the Jays and Laughs ass they may get more people running in.

To hear that Laughs got a A for their FA day is pure bs.
Your not a jackass at all and your not the only one that's frustrated. Sportsnet has become absolutely pathetic and we certainly haven't received any reductions in our provider costs, far from it.
The two big Alberta markets don't get as much "nose in the air" attitude as we do but they can't be happy about their regional studio being shut down either.
Hey, I'm not saying that Don Taylor & Garry Valk were a great show but this is ridiculous.
They have cut costs to the point of insanity.
How much can it cost to have a dinky little regional studio? That's all it was anyways, I know, I was in there once.
I understand running re-runs all night, I guess, however there are some entertaining programs they could be running at night but W/E.
During the day we have to watch their Toronto based talk shows which mean nothing to most of us.
The only reason they still technically call the two stations I'm referring to-(sportsnet pacific & sportsnet west), is to broadcast the local team's games. Not good enough!!!!!
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by ukcanuck » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:51 am

micky107 wrote:
Reefer2 wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Holy fuck Bubble Bath, what's with you? To say that the Leafs and Oilers would still be the darlings of the league without Matthews or McDavid is proof you are very damaged by alcoholism.
I just said they have more young talent than Vancouver regardless of winning the lottery. You have trouble reading ?
RD has selective reading.

Doc has selective posting.

I can't spell.

Blob is a tiny tiny tiny tiny bit negative on our beloved GM.

But we all fracking hate Toronto SN.

To come off pretending not to be biased really pisses me off. I may be a jackass but every time I hear them having financial troubles I love it. Maybe if they stopped sticking their heads up the Jays and Laughs ass they may get more people running in.

To hear that Laughs got a A for their FA day is pure bs.
Your not a jackass at all and your not the only one that's frustrated. Sportsnet has become absolutely pathetic and we certainly haven't received any reductions in our provider costs, far from it.
The two big Alberta markets don't get as much "nose in the air" attitude as we do but they can't be happy about their regional studio being shut down either.
Hey, I'm not saying that Don Taylor & Garry Valk were a great show but this is ridiculous.
They have cut costs to the point of insanity.
How much can it cost to have a dinky little regional studio? That's all it was anyways, I know, I was in there once.
I understand running re-runs all night, I guess, however there are some entertaining programs they could be running at night but W/E.
During the day we have to watch their Toronto based talk shows which mean nothing to most of us.
The only reason they still technically call the two stations I'm referring to-(sportsnet pacific & sportsnet west), is to broadcast the local team's games. Not good enough!!!!!
I agree but as long as we have blobbers who believe automatically that because it's local it must amateur night, why would sportsnet.ca spend a nickel they don't have too?

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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by micky107 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:58 am

Just so everyone knows, salary arbitration is not yet an option in regards to Bo Horvat.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/bo-horvat

I remember Doc saying be patient, this could go on til camp, but he thinks it will get done.
If there is too much difference between the sides, does anyone think he signs a one year?
I don't see it .
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by Uncle dans leg » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:59 am

micky107 wrote:
Your not a jackass at all and your not the only one that's frustrated. Sportsnet has become absolutely pathetic and we certainly haven't received any reductions in our provider costs, far from it.
The two big Alberta markets don't get as much "nose in the air" attitude as we do but they can't be happy about their regional studio being shut down either.
Hey, I'm not saying that Don Taylor & Garry Valk were a great show but this is ridiculous.
They have cut costs to the point of insanity.
How much can it cost to have a dinky little regional studio? That's all it was anyways, I know, I was in there once.
I understand running re-runs all night, I guess, however there are some entertaining programs they could be running at night but W/E.
During the day we have to watch their Toronto based talk shows which mean nothing to most of us.
The only reason they still technically call the two stations I'm referring to-(sportsnet pacific & sportsnet west), is to broadcast the local team's games. Not good enough!!!!!
All the "cord cutting"" of late is filtering down to where it starts hurting I guess. I know about half of my friends have deleted their cable and run Kodi to watch the games.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by Meds » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:11 am

Uncle dans leg wrote:
micky107 wrote:
Your not a jackass at all and your not the only one that's frustrated. Sportsnet has become absolutely pathetic and we certainly haven't received any reductions in our provider costs, far from it.
The two big Alberta markets don't get as much "nose in the air" attitude as we do but they can't be happy about their regional studio being shut down either.
Hey, I'm not saying that Don Taylor & Garry Valk were a great show but this is ridiculous.
They have cut costs to the point of insanity.
How much can it cost to have a dinky little regional studio? That's all it was anyways, I know, I was in there once.
I understand running re-runs all night, I guess, however there are some entertaining programs they could be running at night but W/E.
During the day we have to watch their Toronto based talk shows which mean nothing to most of us.
The only reason they still technically call the two stations I'm referring to-(sportsnet pacific & sportsnet west), is to broadcast the local team's games. Not good enough!!!!!
All the "cord cutting"" of late is filtering down to where it starts hurting I guess. I know about half of my friends have deleted their cable and run Kodi to watch the games.
A couple of friends and I share a Gamecenter account. Thanks to optic, With a few IP spoofers we just stream and don't notice any lag. Makes it nice when the team is on the road and games start at 4 or 5 PST. Was also nice this winter while I was on the east coast for a few months (other than games starting at 10 or 11 my time that is).

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Post by Uncle dans leg » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:30 am

Meds wrote:
Uncle dans leg wrote:
micky107 wrote:
Your not a jackass at all and your not the only one that's frustrated. Sportsnet has become absolutely pathetic and we certainly haven't received any reductions in our provider costs, far from it.
The two big Alberta markets don't get as much "nose in the air" attitude as we do but they can't be happy about their regional studio being shut down either.
Hey, I'm not saying that Don Taylor & Garry Valk were a great show but this is ridiculous.
They have cut costs to the point of insanity.
How much can it cost to have a dinky little regional studio? That's all it was anyways, I know, I was in there once.
I understand running re-runs all night, I guess, however there are some entertaining programs they could be running at night but W/E.
During the day we have to watch their Toronto based talk shows which mean nothing to most of us.
The only reason they still technically call the two stations I'm referring to-(sportsnet pacific & sportsnet west), is to broadcast the local team's games. Not good enough!!!!!
All the "cord cutting"" of late is filtering down to where it starts hurting I guess. I know about half of my friends have deleted their cable and run Kodi to watch the games.
A couple of friends and I share a Gamecenter account. Thanks to optic, With a few IP spoofers we just stream and don't notice any lag. Makes it nice when the team is on the road and games start at 4 or 5 PST. Was also nice this winter while I was on the east coast for a few months (other than games starting at 10 or 11 my time that is).
Gamecenter is awesome except when u deal with ghetto internet like mine. I live in bumfuck nowhere and pay 100 bucks a month for up to 10 MB/S.
So i am a victim of satellite
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by Per » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:20 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote: Gamecenter is awesome except when u deal with ghetto internet like mine. I live in bumfuck nowhere and pay 100 bucks a month for up to 10 MB/S.
So i am a victim of satellite
Sheesh! That's bad. :(

I pay SEK 349 (roughly CAD 53) for 100 mbs...
We put in optic fibre some 15 years ago; same time as we switched to district heating.
They had a package deal, so adding fibre got cheaper.
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