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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by Cornuck » Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:50 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:A note on today's signings. No trade protection handed out.
Good news - gotta like the flexibility we'll have with the new placeholders. :D
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by nuckster » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:13 pm

Gotta say, I'm impressed with Benning and staff in how they've operated in the trade deadline this year as well as the entry draft and today's free agent opening! It's all making sense to me now. Last year? Not so much.

I don't get how this shit head on tsn rates the Canucks as losers today - some frikin stupid. He said, " I don't understand why Benning would go out an get all these players to support the Sedins... if they think theyre going to make the playoffs, it's not going to happen." Well holy shit batman, get out of Toronto much?

Benning acquired some depth today which enables him to ease in the rookies when they're ready to be in the big show, and not before. Also, we should have an increased level of offensive production which makes for a more entertaining product on the ice. So i dont need to rattle off and preach to the converted...there is a method to the madness so-to-speak.... a grand design is actually emerging. But TSN - wtf?.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by DonCherry4PM » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:37 am

Cornuck wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:A note on today's signings. No trade protection handed out.
Good news - gotta like the flexibility we'll have with the new placeholders. :D
I'd definitely give JB a strong grade report for the day with a slight qualification that I am still not really sure what I think about Gagner (another slight guy, but good setup guy with soft hands). Very stoked that no more trade protection is on the books and that the terms are all relatively short. Much improved from the Ericsson and Sutter contracts.

Maybe I'm overly hopeful on the progress of the developing kids, but somewhat concerned about whether this will stop youth from coming in (in the event that they actually deserve to be in the bigs). I guess it's much better to have the problem of too many capable players to fill spaces, rather than forcing unready youth into those spaces.

Interested to see if the roster as it stands is what we will see going into September or whether some more moves/signings will take place.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by Hockey Widow » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:50 am

DonCherry4PM wrote:
Cornuck wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:A note on today's signings. No trade protection handed out.
Good news - gotta like the flexibility we'll have with the new placeholders. :D
I'd definitely give JB a strong grade report for the day with a slight qualification that I am still not really sure what I think about Gagner (another slight guy, but good setup guy with soft hands). Very stoked that no more trade protection is on the books and that the terms are all relatively short. Much improved from the Ericsson and Sutter contracts.

Maybe I'm overly hopeful on the progress of the developing kids, but somewhat concerned about whether this will stop youth from coming in (in the event that they actually deserve to be in the bigs). I guess it's much better to have the problem of too many capable players to fill spaces, rather than forcing unready youth into those spaces.

Interested to see if the roster as it stands is what we will see going into September or whether some more moves/signings will take place.

All these signings cost us is cap. If Benning needs to clear a roster spot he can waive anyone of them, if they clear Utica gets an upgrade, if they are plucked, no loss.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by micky107 » Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:01 am

We improved our depth and over-all talent pool. Definitely created more options moving forward.
Still think we need more team toughness.
I know a good part of that is the way a team is coached and a mind set, but forgive my barbarism, we need a couple willing to crunch AND fight when need be.
To think Dorsette can be that guy after serious neck surgery is, well lets just say he probably can never and should never partake in such dances anymore.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by Reefer2 » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:35 am

DonCherry4PM wrote:
Cornuck wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:A note on today's signings. No trade protection handed out.
Good news - gotta like the flexibility we'll have with the new placeholders. :D
I'd definitely give JB a strong grade report for the day with a slight qualification that I am still not really sure what I think about Gagner (another slight guy, but good setup guy with soft hands). Very stoked that no more trade protection is on the books and that the terms are all relatively short. Much improved from the Ericsson and Sutter contracts.

Maybe I'm overly hopeful on the progress of the developing kids, but somewhat concerned about whether this will stop youth from coming in (in the event that they actually deserve to be in the bigs). I guess it's much better to have the problem of too many capable players to fill spaces, rather than forcing unready youth into those spaces.

Interested to see if the roster as it stands is what we will see going into September or whether some more moves/signings will take place.
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Not saying they (young guys) should be guranteed a spot but for those that should get a shot will have a tougher time to make the team. I still like the pick ups and no 2nds to get them. Most of the players today are better than Vey.

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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by griz » Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:19 am

nuckster wrote:I don't get how this shit head on tsn rates the Canucks as losers today - some frikin stupid. He said, " I don't understand why Benning would go out an get all these players to support the Sedins... if they think theyre going to make the playoffs, it's not going to happen." Well holy shit batman, get out of Toronto much?

... But TSN - wtf?.
No shit, I caught that too. I think he didn't do his homework and just assumed it's the Canucks so they must suck. His expression might have fit a couple of years ago when the rebuild hadn't officially started. Get with it TSN.

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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by Madcombinepilot » Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:40 am

griz wrote:
nuckster wrote:I don't get how this shit head on tsn rates the Canucks as losers today - some frikin stupid. He said, " I don't understand why Benning would go out an get all these players to support the Sedins... if they think theyre going to make the playoffs, it's not going to happen." Well holy shit batman, get out of Toronto much?

... But TSN - wtf?.
No shit, I caught that too. I think he didn't do his homework and just assumed it's the Canucks so they must suck. His expression might have fit a couple of years ago when the rebuild hadn't officially started. Get with it TSN.
O'Niel is the same eastern bag licker that said (before the 2016 draft lottery) 'the only thing worse than buffalo winning the Mathews (draft) lottery would be Vancouver'.. and he said it with disdain and contempt. Another example of true non- bias eastern bag licking media.

Of course he has no idea what's happening around the league. He never leaves the Center of the universe.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by RoyalDude » Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:52 am

Accept it, the Canadian Hockey media outside of BC hates the Canucks. O'Neill is as bad as Cox at trying to hide their disdain for Vancouver
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Post by olpaddy » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:45 am

RoyalDude wrote:Accept it, the Canadian Hockey media outside of BC hates the Canucks. O'Neill is as bad as Cox at trying to hide their disdain for Vancouver
Outside of Vancouver??? Pacific Blue we are roughly the same age both grew up in the community I went to Seycove HS a good North Van boy Like myself there were plenty of Nights on the radio listening to Dan CALLER CALLER Russell Plenty of times listening to McCrae RIP plenty of times reading Jim Taylor and Tony G Elliot Pap or the Monotne voice of JP life of the Party McConnell talking about another loss in an half empty PNE in the 80s...

It wasn't all fun and Giggles unless you worked with the hipsters at the Sports Page or Larscheid on Colour... They were the only positive peeps in the entire market...

Anything that Jeff O'Neil or Cox says PALES in comparison to the shit show that was in town for YEARS...

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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by Cherry Picker » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:02 pm

Basically the opinion of the signings is they are fair signings for decent players at a decent term, and would be good deals for anyone outside of Vancouver; but, Vancouver should be trying to purposefully lose like Toronto did to get Matthews. Of course there is no recognition that no matter how poorly the Canucks do they won't get the first pick over all, or that the idea of sport is to try and not purposefully tank like Toronto did.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by Hockey Widow » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:05 pm

They all missed the part were Benning said none of these signings will get us into the playoffs. That's a team effort and a lot of things have to go right for that to happen. He was very clear, these guys are all pretty much, on some level, reclamation projects (my words) with a chance to improve our speed and skill. If they perform they may earn new contracts. If they perform we get to protect the kids a little longer. They are pure placeholders with a golden opportunity to find a new long term home, if they earn it.

I think Benning likes to target former first round picks. Gagne, Burmistrov, and Del Zotto are former 1st rounders.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by Hockey Widow » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:18 pm

Cherry Picker wrote:Basically the opinion of the signings is they are fair signings for decent players at a decent term, and would be good deals for anyone outside of Vancouver; but, Vancouver should be trying to purposefully lose like Toronto did to get Matthews. Of course there is no recognition that no matter how poorly the Canucks do they won't get the first pick over all, or that the idea of sport is to try and not purposefully tank like Toronto did.

So right on. Even tank nation is starting to understand that tanking no longer guarantees a top three pick. Heck Buffalo is still hurting over losing out on McJesus and they love Eichel. And what could have been for us hurts enough but yet somehow it's Benning's fault.

Neither Toronto nor Edmonton would be on this sudden reemergence had they not drafted McJesus and Matthews yet somehow their GMs are in the genius mode. if we had drafted top 2 last year and again this year then we'd be getting ready to push back into the playoffs, transition plan away from the twins expidited, twins properly pushed into a secondary role.

That's the value of a generational player. That's why they are called generational or franchise players. Their impact can be that sudden and that powerful. Not every team has one. Some have more than one or 1.5 of one. And having a generational player is inviting to other players who want to play with them.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by Strangelove » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:59 pm

Madcombinepilot wrote: O'Niel is the same eastern bag licker that said (before the 2016 draft lottery) 'the only thing worse than buffalo winning the Mathews (draft) lottery would be Vancouver'.. and he said it with disdain and contempt. Another example of true non- bias eastern bag licking media.

Of course he has no idea what's happening around the league. He never leaves the Center of the universe.
Party Boy O'Neill took a lot of shots to the head during his playing career and in fact is still self-medicating.

Add to that the fact he was never smart to begin with and was born + raised a Leaf fan.

What you have here then is a chubby brain damaged individual with a blind hatred for all things Canucks.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes 2016/17

Post by herb » Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:31 pm

Cherry Picker wrote:Basically the opinion of the signings is they are fair signings for decent players at a decent term, and would be good deals for anyone outside of Vancouver; but, Vancouver should be trying to purposefully lose like Toronto did to get Matthews. Of course there is no recognition that no matter how poorly the Canucks do they won't get the first pick over all, or that the idea of sport is to try and not purposefully tank like Toronto did.
The thing I keep going back to is how do we get Horvat, Boeser, Hutton, Stecher, Markstrom, Baertschi and Granlund to the next level if we are truly awful year after year? At some point you spoil good players if a McDavid doesn't fall into your lap.

IMO, at the end of last year our forward group was too terrible, even for a rebuilding team. This at least gives hope and support to the future core players who are on the team now or close.

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