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He's a 3rd liner, and we kinds have the 3rd line covered
I was thinking 4th line and the need for a heavyweight, especially with the insertion of youth into the lineup...

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Tciso wrote:
rikster wrote:Come July 1st, I don't expect to see any of the top UFA's finding their way to Vancouver and given the talk that the market for them is over heated I think they should take a back seat...

But the player I do hope they can sign is Matt Martin from the Islanders...

Brings a lot of what Lucic does but at a fraction of the cost...
He's a 3rd liner, and we kinds have the 3rd line covered...so...while I like his size, and he is cheap, he doesn't really address our need for a quality top 6 forward. I'm not sold on Looch either. Brower or Okposo seem better options for our needs.
Okposo does seem to be a guy Benning would be all over. This one would not surprise me at all.

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Benning, when he was whispering in his tampering delight, wasn't interested so much in Okposo.

Linden seemed to hint that term was more important that some other issues. Still I can't see us getting more than one FA on that short list without moving Sbisa and or Burrows, and for now Burrows seems set.
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Okposo is mr East anyways, he's a diehard eastcoaster.
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Got a little update on the Gudbranson deal.

The Canucks had been searching hard, for 2-3 weeks, to try to land a top four RHS Dman. We know the price was high including for FA. Benning wanted to stay away from some of the FA because he could not get permission to speak to their agents.

After many discussions, Benning had a deal worked out for Dan Girardi. Don't know the details. The Canucks were in a holding pattern, contemplating the move, when they got a call from Florida. They had previously inquired about Gudbranson and where told he was not available.

Florida told Benning what their asking price was, their 2nd and one of three players, McCann, Virtanen or Boeser. Benning was told that Edmonton had offered up their 2nd and Yakupov but Florida wanted a young player on an ELC that could be waived and that Florida would go back to Edmonton. Also told Leaves refused to offer up their own second but did offer up a younger player. Don't know who.

Florida had not at this point shopped Gudbranson as they targeted what they wanted and wanted a quick, quiet deal.

There was a clock on the deal. Florida made it clear there was little if any negotiation room. Their needs were simple. A high 2nd and a young top six who could be waived for 1-2 more years, if need be. The risk Benning took in not acting was that Florida would then shop Gradbruson and knowing the market and knowing the teams in need, Benning pulled the trigger. Boeser was off the table as he is pretty untouchable right now so it came down to McCann or Virtanen. The analytics guys really wanted McCann, the hockey's guys wanted to keep Virtanen.

Florida and Vancouver had completely different assessments of the upside for McCann vs Virtanen. In the end both teams got what they wanted with very little negotiation.

Edmonton really wanted Gudbranson but perhaps all their high first round picks came back to haunt them. They wouldn't or couldn't part with any of the young players Florida wanted in exchange.

The deal was sudden in that Florida jumped in before Vancouver could pull the trigger on Girardi. I have to think they would have gotten more had they opened this up or waited until the draft. But they knew Vancouver was desperate and they targeted who they wanted and got their price.

Just think, we could have had Girardi and still kept McCann.
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Hockey Widow wrote: Just think, we could have had Girardi and still kept McCann.
Girardi is 32 and Gudbranson is 24. I will take Gudbranson over Girardi and McCann any day.
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Pretty difficult to assess which is the better deal (Giraldi vs Gudbranson) without knowing what Giraldi would have cost. Besides, as mentioned, Gudbranson is much younger.
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ugh Girardi, imagine the hatred fuming from everyone in Vancouver if we got him and his horrendous contract, a 32 years old, $5.5M per for another 4 years.

A lot of teams are still trying to land a top 4 dman now and it's proven to be difficult as the asking price is pretty high.

Sometimes it's better to make these big trades before the draft/ufa season, no bidding wars to up the price, its a similar deal like how the flamers got Hamilton for a 1st #15 overall and two 2nd rounders out of nowhere.

Kuzma just reported (forgive me if this was posted elsewhere) looks like if the Oilers land Lucic they will trade their mighty Taylor Hall (one of the best younger LW in the league) for dman Hamonic...as no one wants Yak, stock plummeted.

Thats the price of trying to improve your defense, which is expensive, hence we got a decent deal for Guddy.

And now we finally got a blue chipper in Juolevi, defense finally having some promise for the long haul as someone mentioned putting down your foundation for your team.
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I'd take a gamble on Yakupov. May turn out to be a Baertschi type of project. Sbisa for Yakupov.
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gobi wrote:Pretty difficult to assess which is the better deal (Giraldi vs Gudbranson) without knowing what Giraldi would have cost. Besides, as mentioned, Gudbranson is much younger.

Agreed. Don't know the acquisition cost. Gotta imagine though that it would not have been a cap dump by Rangers.
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SKYO wrote: Kuzma just reported... looks like if the Oilers land Lucic they will trade their mighty Taylor Hall (one of the best younger LW in the league) for dman Hamonic
One more reason for Asshole Benning to sign Lucic. :mex:
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Hockey Widow wrote:
gobi wrote:Pretty difficult to assess which is the better deal (Giraldi vs Gudbranson) without knowing what Giraldi would have cost. Besides, as mentioned, Gudbranson is much younger.
Agreed. Don't know the acquisition cost. Gotta imagine though that it would not have been a cap dump by Rangers.
I'm hearing the Rags wanted McCann + 2nd. :wink:
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Hockey Widow wrote:
gobi wrote:Pretty difficult to assess which is the better deal (Giraldi vs Gudbranson) without knowing what Giraldi would have cost. Besides, as mentioned, Gudbranson is much younger.

Agreed. Don't know the acquisition cost. Gotta imagine though that it would not have been a cap dump by Rangers.
Unless the Rags were taking Higgins and Burrows from us I'm taking Guds 99 times out of 100 compared to Girardi. Even if they were I think i still like a 24 year old Gudbranson knowing what we gave up to get him!

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Hall for Hamonic would be a steal for the Islanders.
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Island Nucklehead wrote:Hall for Hamonic would be a steal for the Islanders.
I dunno, I hear from hardcore Oiler fans that Hall is not dedicated to the game of hockey.
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