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dangler wrote: Thats a pretty steep price for Laine! hence the insanity reference
It's a mad mad mad mad world...

Forgot to mention, we tell Sedins we'll do all this (giving them one last shot at glory)

... only if they agree to waive their NMCs in the expansion draft. :mex:

Protect 7 forwards: Eriksson, Lucic, Sutter, Baertchi, Horvat, Etem, Gaunce.

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Doc, there is only one Genius - Benning, but you're a close 2nd. Can you spare some brain cells for Blobbee?
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Island Nucklehead wrote:
SKYO wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote:What happens when one of our forwards gets dinged up for 1-2 games?
In comes one of Virtanen, Cassels, Rodin or Laplante.
Your chart shows $722K in cap space. At the NHL level, Rodin makes 950K, Laplante $836K and Virtanen $894K. Cassels is the only guy out of that group you could call up and remain cap compliant.

Unless someone's injury means they'll be out for 10 games/24 days, there's no cap relief.

That's why you almost always see NHL teams carry 23 players (including goalies). Your roster has 21 players.

Anyways, Benning wants this team in the playoffs and eating $7.5M of cap isn't going to do that, nor is Detroit going to trade Pulkinen and a first just for some cap space. Keep in mind, Datsyuk isn't going to be getting paid anything, a team like Arizona/New Jersey/Buffalo/Carolina etc. could get a 2nd rounder, reach the cap floor, and not add a cent to their salary structure.
Well if the cap escalator comes in, problem solved.

And those teams are not going to do Detroit any huge favours like the olden-golden days, as the Canes/Hawks set a new precedent in this cap/expansion era, as they got frickin' Teräväinen for one year of Bickell.

Holland just said today, he isn't optimistic he can move Dats contract, as teams are looking for a lot of young assets to take on Datsyuk's contract, he obviously isn't going to overpay to get rid of dats $, with their top tier young talent, like Mantha, Tatar, Nyquist, Larkin, Sheahan, Svechnikov or Athanasiou, but Pulkkinen, Jurco no problemo.
At the same time, Holland acknowledged that for a team such as the Wings, which prides itself on competitiveness and has a 25-season streak of making the playoffs going, carrying $7.5 million in empty salary space would be devastating.

"It's a huge hole," he said. "I'm going to try to manage it the very best I can.

"I've been talking to a small group of teams that have expressed some interest. People are looking for assets. We have to determine how much future you pay."
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/r ... /86087514/
As for being competitive/playoffs, there is also acquiring more picks/prospects as well, if it weren't for vrb's ntc and both hamhuis injuries, we'd have gotten some of those picks at the tdd.

I just think it's worth checking into with the cap strapped teams right now IF we are not in the Stamkos race.
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lol they are definitely not in any Stamkos race. No reason for him to sign here unless he's getting 12-14 million which would be idiotic.

I can't see Aquilini ponying up 7.5 million for a guy not to play here. He has been paying Eye Bags, Tortorella , Ballard, Booth, Luongo and probably Elmer and Twitch not to work for the hockey club. Wake up Skyo.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote: I can't see Aquilini ponying up 7.5 million for a guy not to play here. He has been paying Eye Bags, Tortorella , Ballard, Booth, Luongo and probably Elmer and Twitch not to work for the hockey club. Wake up Skyo.
Yeah you probably right. :shock:

Be nice though if we got their pick somehow. #15?#16

And then 2017, datsyuk, miller contracts come off the books, $13.5M.
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SKYO wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote: I can't see Aquilini ponying up 7.5 million for a guy not to play here. He has been paying Eye Bags, Tortorella , Ballard, Booth, Luongo and probably Elmer and Twitch not to work for the hockey club. Wake up Skyo.
Yeah you probably right. :shock:

Be nice though if we got their pick somehow. #15?#16

And then 2017, datsyuk, miller contracts come off the books, $13.5M.
You wouldn't be paying Datsyuk anything. The contract would be terminated, but the cap hit remains. It's dead cap. No way a team that feels the need to compete does that. Someone looking to reach the floor (and keep their real salary low), OTOH...
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Island Nucklehead wrote:
SKYO wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote: I can't see Aquilini ponying up 7.5 million for a guy not to play here. He has been paying Eye Bags, Tortorella , Ballard, Booth, Luongo and probably Elmer and Twitch not to work for the hockey club. Wake up Skyo.
Yeah you probably right. :shock:

Be nice though if we got their pick somehow. #15?#16

And then 2017, datsyuk, miller contracts come off the books, $13.5M.
You wouldn't be paying Datsyuk anything. The contract would be terminated, but the cap hit remains. It's dead cap. No way a team that feels the need to compete does that. Someone looking to reach the floor (and keep their real salary low), OTOH...
Yeah blob, get it together eh. :P :P

Taking out the datsyuk contract/trade ideal altogether, seems like Teemu Pulkkinen is the odd man out in detroit, too many players ahead of him, wonder what it would take to acquire him from the redwings.

Cassels?
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Gratz on Hank for winning the Clancy. Was that a snub on Mess or did Hank simply not know about Mess? :lol:
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By the end of next week I think all we do is buyout Higgins and Burrows, it's the way the league is trending, unless you are willing to take on cap hit contracts or willing to deal young players on cheap contracts, there isn't much movement trade wise for mediocre players on contracts.
Unless you deal with a team up against the cap ala Shaw, Teravainen, so you might want to target Pens-Hornqvist, Caps-Wilson, NYR-Kreider.

So we just sign Lucic and be done with it, strike out on him target Hartnell, Ladd, Brouwer.

Then we see how Rodin, Etem, Virtanen, Gaunce, Granlund, Hutton, Pedan, Tryamkin and Stecher progress this upcoming season.

Rodin, Tryamkin and Stecher give me the most interest, Stech might not play any nhl games till dec/jan though.
Can't wait till Boeser comes in 2017.

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March 2016, The Canucks announced the one-year, $950,000 deal on Tuesday and general manager Jim Benning said he expects Rodin will be a top-nine forward next season for the National Hockey League team.

Rodin, who had 16 goals and 37 points in an injury-shortened 33-game season for Brynas, was recently named the Swedish League’s MVP. He was selected 57th overall in the 2009 draft.

We think playing over there the last couple of years he has gotten physically stronger,” Benning said. “Mentally, I think he’s ready now to come over and to have a real good year for us.

“We think he is going to be a skill guy for us,” Benning said. “He has got a real good release on his shot and he is quick. He is a little bit like Sven Baertschi, he is skilled like Sven and he can shoot the puck. We just felt it is good timing for him and us to add his skill set. I think it is going to be a good fit for both of us.”

Rodin, who is 5-11 and 180 pounds, is a close friend of Canucks goalie Jacob Markstrom. The two played together with Brynas.
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Would you trade a 3rd for Yakupov?

Some scouts see him that low.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p ... 38367.html
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According to Sekeres of 1040, Higgins will be bought out. Burrows will be kept, for now. I think there is one more buy out opportunity before the season starts in any event. They see Burrows still having value relative to what his cap could garner in FA. As others have pointed out, there isn't a huge cap savings on buying him out. Not enough to make it worth their while. This could obviously change later in the summer. The cost to trade Burrows would be us giving up a pick or other assets to have someone eat his cap.

Hamhuis has been told to operate under the assumption that he will be a FA July 1. Canucks have not ruled out bringing him back but will circle back after July if he is still available. Sounds like Hamhuis expectations are more than what the Canucks are interested in, either term or cap. He is obviously not high on their list for what his expectations are. Canucks would like him back but need the available cap to try and add scoring up front. So in the absence of freeing up more room, which looks like they won't, other than Higgins, he just does not fit.
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Reefer2 wrote:Would you trade a 3rd for Yakupov?

Some scouts see him that low.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p ... 38367.html

For a 3rd pick? Tempting.
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And now the invites for un-drafted players to attend prospects camp has begun. Canucks invite two from the Q.

Frederic Aube

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Born Aug 10 1996 -- Sherbrooke, PQ
[19 yrs. ago]
Height 6.01 -- Weight 198 [185 cm/90 kg]

Alexis D'Aoust

Right Wing -- shoots R
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[20 yrs. ago]
Height 6.00 -- Weight 200 [183 cm/91 kg
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Reefer2 wrote:Would you trade a 3rd for Yakupov?

Some scouts see him that low.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p ... 38367.html
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Hockey Widow wrote:
Reefer2 wrote:Would you trade a 3rd for Yakupov?

Some scouts see him that low.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p ... 38367.html

For a 3rd pick? Tempting.
I would see this as a typical Benning move - what are the odds on a 3rd rounder making an impact - vs turning around a talented player with a change of scenery.
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