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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by RoyalDude » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:19 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Hamonic brings way more value to a hockey team than Hall when it comes to winning. You don't win with the Taylor Hall Stat padders of the world. Hamonic is a warrior in big games, Hall folds like a cheap tent not too mention that he is apparently a dressing room pouter. Halls biggest problem is his play away from the puck, and lack of a 200' game, terrible defensively and puts the David Booth blinders on when skating with the puck. I think he's one of the most overrated players in the game. The Oilers would be far better hockey team if that trade were to happen
I don't disagree about Hall's questionable defensive play, but he's been a top-5 LW producer pretty much since he came into the league. In terms of PPG over the past 5 years he's better than Daniel, Gaudreau, Zetterberg, Parise etc. Basically he's only bested by Benn and OV over that stretch. Tough to argue with that kind of production.
Like I said, he's a stat padder, in the mean time how has his team done all the while he's been putting up those wonderful stats? I mean it's about wining isn't it? I remember when Tony Tanti used to put up great numbers during the losing years of Canuck hockey, but I don't see anyone quickly ushering him to the ring of honour.

Hamonic is the kind of player you want in games that count. The Oilers would be insane to not make the trade
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by SKYO » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:13 pm

Oilers fans would probably riot if they make that trade aha.

They don't want to trade for Shattenkirk without some kind of guarantee he re-signs, as he's a eastcoaster and will sign with NYR asap.

Cam Fowler will need a huge contract as soon as you trade say Eberle for him as CF is a UFA in two years.

But alas there is a bidding war for those two guys.

Probably the easiest dman for the oil to get is Spurgeon who has 4 years left on his contract.
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Lancer » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:52 pm

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Hockey Widow wrote: Just think, we could have had Girardi and still kept McCann.
Girardi is 32 and Gudbranson is 24. I will take Gudbranson over Girardi and McCann any day.
Age notwithstanding, I'd take Gudbranson over Girardi any day. Add Gudbranson's youth, and I'm glad Benning made the deal.

That said, if Girardi is available, I wonder why Chiarelli hasn't kicked the tires on him yet? Probably cheaper than Hamonic.
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Madcombinepilot » Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:55 am

I thought I heard Hamonic recinded his trade request??
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Island Nucklehead » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:53 am

Madcombinepilot wrote:I thought I heard Hamonic recinded his trade request??
He did. But when you get a chance to add a 24 year old top-5 player at his position, signed to a nice contract for 4 more years, you probably look at all options.

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Madcombinepilot » Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:04 am

Island Nucklehead wrote:
Madcombinepilot wrote:I thought I heard Hamonic recinded his trade request??
He did. But when you get a chance to add a 24 year old top-5 player at his position, signed to a nice contract for 4 more years, you probably look at all options.

But with him not up for trade, wouldn't this be more 'speculation/fantasy' than 'option'??
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by herb » Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:33 am

Madcombinepilot wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote:
Madcombinepilot wrote:I thought I heard Hamonic recinded his trade request??
He did. But when you get a chance to add a 24 year old top-5 player at his position, signed to a nice contract for 4 more years, you probably look at all options.

But with him not up for trade, wouldn't this be more 'speculation/fantasy' than 'option'??
Well, Hamonic does not have a NTC, so he could still be moved.

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Diehard1 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:17 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
Madcombinepilot wrote:I thought I heard Hamonic recinded his trade request??
He did. But when you get a chance to add a 24 year old top-5 player at his position, signed to a nice contract for 4 more years, you probably look at all options.
Hamonic is Chris Tanev, slightly worse defensively and slightly better offensively. He's becoming so overrated it's nauseating.

If the Isles could somehow add Hall for him they make out like bandits.

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Ronning's Ghost » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:31 pm

Diehard1 wrote:Hamonic is Chris Tanev, slightly worse defensively and slightly better offensively. He's becoming so overrated it's nauseating.
Many believe that Chris Tanev is substantially underrated. Probably a consequence of playing a quiet game.

Would you trade Tanev for Hall ? I wouldn't want Benning to do that.

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Strangelove » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:38 pm

Diehard1 wrote: Hamonic is Chris Tanev, slightly worse defensively and slightly better offensively. He's becoming so overrated it's nauseating.
Well Travis Hamonic plays the game as physical/nasty as it gets.

Tanev.... NOT.

Hamonic is better than Tanev defensively as well imesho...
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Island Nucklehead » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:56 pm

Ronning's Ghost wrote: Would you trade Tanev for Hall ? I wouldn't want Benning to do that.
In a fucking heartbeat.

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by micky107 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:07 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
Ronning's Ghost wrote: Would you trade Tanev for Hall ? I wouldn't want Benning to do that.
In a fucking heartbeat.
Ya, for sure. If the guy ever had the right line mates, bigger, tougher, you could be looking at a 85+ points player.
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Iceman2014 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:19 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Has anyone told Chiarelli that Sbisa is a top 4? We'll help him out and give him a deal.

Sbisa for

Yakupov and Edmonton's 2nd next year. I mean it wasn't enough to get Gudbranson but we're neighbours right, sort of.
I'd definitely take a gamble on Yak + for Sbisa. We have enough young D men that project to be #3-6 defenders. I'd love to slot in Pedan over Sbisa and then see what the Yak has out here.

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Boston Canucker » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:31 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Got a little update on the Gudbranson deal.

The Canucks had been searching hard, for 2-3 weeks, to try to land a top four RHS Dman. We know the price was high including for FA. Benning wanted to stay away from some of the FA because he could not get permission to speak to their agents.

After many discussions, Benning had a deal worked out for Dan Girardi. Don't know the details. The Canucks were in a holding pattern, contemplating the move, when they got a call from Florida. They had previously inquired about Gudbranson and where told he was not available.

Florida told Benning what their asking price was, their 2nd and one of three players, McCann, Virtanen or Boeser. Benning was told that Edmonton had offered up their 2nd and Yakupov but Florida wanted a young player on an ELC that could be waived and that Florida would go back to Edmonton. Also told Leafs refused to offer up their own second but did offer up a younger player. Don't know who.

Florida had not at this point shopped Gudbranson as they targeted what they wanted and wanted a quick, quiet deal.

There was a clock on the deal. Florida made it clear there was little if any negotiation room. Their needs were simple. A high 2nd and a young top six who could be waived for 1-2 more years, if need be. The risk Benning took in not acting was that Florida would then shop Gradbruson and knowing the market and knowing the teams in need, Benning pulled the trigger. Boeser was off the table as he is pretty untouchable right now so it came down to McCann or Virtanen. The analytics guys really wanted McCann, the hockey's guys wanted to keep Virtanen.

Florida and Vancouver had completely different assessments of the upside for McCann vs Virtanen. In the end both teams got what they wanted with very little negotiation.

Edmonton really wanted Gudbranson but perhaps all their high first round picks came back to haunt them. They wouldn't or couldn't part with any of the young players Florida wanted in exchange.

The deal was sudden in that Florida jumped in before Vancouver could pull the trigger on Girardi. I have to think they would have gotten more had they opened this up or waited until the draft. But they knew Vancouver was desperate and they targeted who they wanted and got their price.

Just think, we could have had Girardi and still kept McCann.
Wow, thanks for the background HW.

Two thoughts. First, I'm troubled Benning thought that highly of Girardi. I've got tons of Rangers fans, and they'd love to off load Girardi for a top prospect and high 2nd.

Second, it makes the Guddy deal look better. Guddy over Girardi any day. I still don't like losing McCann, more than the pick, but this happens.

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Hockey Widow » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:54 pm

BC, I don't know what the offer was on the table for Girardi. I don't think McCann was involved in that deal as it was Florida that jumped in and asked for him. NYR were looking to clear cap and I think they would have been more interested in D back. But I'm guessing. My friend didn't have the details on the Girardi deal, just that the Canucks took a step back to contemplate, which tells me they wern't sure but felt desperate.
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