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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Strangelove » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:38 pm

Diehard1 wrote: Hamonic is Chris Tanev, slightly worse defensively and slightly better offensively. He's becoming so overrated it's nauseating.
Well Travis Hamonic plays the game as physical/nasty as it gets.

Tanev.... NOT.

Hamonic is better than Tanev defensively as well imesho...
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Island Nucklehead » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:56 pm

Ronning's Ghost wrote: Would you trade Tanev for Hall ? I wouldn't want Benning to do that.
In a fucking heartbeat.

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by micky107 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:07 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
Ronning's Ghost wrote: Would you trade Tanev for Hall ? I wouldn't want Benning to do that.
In a fucking heartbeat.
Ya, for sure. If the guy ever had the right line mates, bigger, tougher, you could be looking at a 85+ points player.
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Iceman2014 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:19 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Has anyone told Chiarelli that Sbisa is a top 4? We'll help him out and give him a deal.

Sbisa for

Yakupov and Edmonton's 2nd next year. I mean it wasn't enough to get Gudbranson but we're neighbours right, sort of.
I'd definitely take a gamble on Yak + for Sbisa. We have enough young D men that project to be #3-6 defenders. I'd love to slot in Pedan over Sbisa and then see what the Yak has out here.

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Boston Canucker » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:31 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Got a little update on the Gudbranson deal.

The Canucks had been searching hard, for 2-3 weeks, to try to land a top four RHS Dman. We know the price was high including for FA. Benning wanted to stay away from some of the FA because he could not get permission to speak to their agents.

After many discussions, Benning had a deal worked out for Dan Girardi. Don't know the details. The Canucks were in a holding pattern, contemplating the move, when they got a call from Florida. They had previously inquired about Gudbranson and where told he was not available.

Florida told Benning what their asking price was, their 2nd and one of three players, McCann, Virtanen or Boeser. Benning was told that Edmonton had offered up their 2nd and Yakupov but Florida wanted a young player on an ELC that could be waived and that Florida would go back to Edmonton. Also told Leaves refused to offer up their own second but did offer up a younger player. Don't know who.

Florida had not at this point shopped Gudbranson as they targeted what they wanted and wanted a quick, quiet deal.

There was a clock on the deal. Florida made it clear there was little if any negotiation room. Their needs were simple. A high 2nd and a young top six who could be waived for 1-2 more years, if need be. The risk Benning took in not acting was that Florida would then shop Gradbruson and knowing the market and knowing the teams in need, Benning pulled the trigger. Boeser was off the table as he is pretty untouchable right now so it came down to McCann or Virtanen. The analytics guys really wanted McCann, the hockey's guys wanted to keep Virtanen.

Florida and Vancouver had completely different assessments of the upside for McCann vs Virtanen. In the end both teams got what they wanted with very little negotiation.

Edmonton really wanted Gudbranson but perhaps all their high first round picks came back to haunt them. They wouldn't or couldn't part with any of the young players Florida wanted in exchange.

The deal was sudden in that Florida jumped in before Vancouver could pull the trigger on Girardi. I have to think they would have gotten more had they opened this up or waited until the draft. But they knew Vancouver was desperate and they targeted who they wanted and got their price.

Just think, we could have had Girardi and still kept McCann.
Wow, thanks for the background HW.

Two thoughts. First, I'm troubled Benning thought that highly of Girardi. I've got tons of Rangers fans, and they'd love to off load Girardi for a top prospect and high 2nd.

Second, it makes the Guddy deal look better. Guddy over Girardi any day. I still don't like losing McCann, more than the pick, but this happens.

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Hockey Widow » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:54 pm

BC, I don't know what the offer was on the table for Girardi. I don't think McCann was involved in that deal as it was Florida that jumped in and asked for him. NYR were looking to clear cap and I think they would have been more interested in D back. But I'm guessing. My friend didn't have the details on the Girardi deal, just that the Canucks took a step back to contemplate, which tells me they wern't sure but felt desperate.
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by SKYO » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:30 pm

To help entice a UFA to sign here, the team should be trying to trade for a decent winger now.

Columbus might still be looking to offload a winger, same with Detroit.

imo we should pull ourselves out of contention for looch and offer up some minor leaguers + for Hartnell. *

CBJ gets the space to re-sign Jones asap to not worry about offer sheets, they say they are not worried, but cammannn, you got to be for Seth Jones.
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Hockey Widow » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:34 pm

SKYO wrote:To help entice a UFA to sign here, the team should be trying to trade for a decent winger now.

Columbus might still be looking to offload a winger, same with Detroit.

imo we should pull ourselves out of contention for looch and offer up some minor leaguers + for Hartnell. *

CBJ gets the space to re-sign Jones asap to not worry about offer sheets, they say they are not worried, but cammannn, you got to be for Seth Jones.
I think we are already out of contention for Lucic. I'm afraid we will over buy on Brouwer or Erikisson now, just so we don't get left out in the cold. I hunk to prevent from being shut out Benning will hand out some of those contracts Blob loves.
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by SKYO » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:43 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:
SKYO wrote:To help entice a UFA to sign here, the team should be trying to trade for a decent winger now.
Columbus might still be looking to offload a winger, same with Detroit....offer up some minor leaguers + for Hartnell.
I think we are already out of contention for Lucic. I'm afraid we will over buy on Brouwer or Erikisson now, just so we don't get left out in the cold. I hunk to prevent from being shut out Benning will hand out some of those contracts Blob loves.
As long as the oilers overpay for lucic/demers - all is well, so they can be in cap hell asap

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Hockey Widow » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:45 pm

Well, one of the things I was told is Stamkos is just not interested in Vancouver, at all.
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:00 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Well, one of the things I was told is Stamkos is just not interested in Vancouver, at all.
Rinse and repeat for Skyo and the gang. No shit he ain't interested. The team is a mess. The good players are mostly ancient and the team has little in the way of high end young talent. They have a few good pieces but in reality their prospect pool is middle of the pack at best. I'm thinking more like bottom third of the league. Sure they could sign a Brouwer and a Ladd and stay 98 % healthy and have a decent shot at the wildcard if other teams slump.

I hope they sign a couple middling wingers and a depth d man to no longer than three year contracts. I like Lucic a lot but he is not the end all be all for this scabby team right now.For what it's worth I have heard from a good source that Andrew Ladd has no interest in playing here.
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Hockey Widow » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:04 pm

Ya Blob, I heard some really disheartening things today about the Canucks. I wasn't kidding when I said I felt gut punched again. For the first time perhaps I have my rose coloured glasses off.

From the turmoil in the front office, separation between owner and management, player discontent, treatment of vets, on and on it goes.
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Strangelove » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:23 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:I hunk to prevent from being shut out Benning will hand out some of those contracts Blob loves.
No no, Blob loves him some UFA contracts.

Says he wishes the Sbisa/Dorsett contracts weren't there so we'd have mo money to overspend on dat dere!

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Reefer2 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:24 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Ya Blob, I heard some really disheartening things today about the Canucks. I wasn't kidding when I said I felt gut punched again. For the first time perhaps I have my rose coloured glasses off.

From the turmoil in the front office, separation between owner and management, player discontent, treatment of vets, on and on it goes.
HW did I miss something? What player discontent?

Treatment of vets? Who? Higgins?

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Strangelove » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:25 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: From the turmoil in the front office, separation between owner and management, player discontent, treatment of vets, on and on it goes.
It's a rebuild, if folks are happy you're not doing it right...
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