You didn't answer the question: How is bringing in a a 24-year-old and a 22-year-old not conducive to a "5+-year plan"?Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:04 pmGudbranson is servicable, but there's no way we're recouping what we gave up for him. And 5 years after the Canucks acquired him, Linden Vey is likely to be starting his second season with Zurich SC.Strangelove wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:35 pm How is bringing in a a 24-year-old (Guds) and a 22-year-old (Vey) not conducive to a "5+-year plan"?
ANSWER: Bringing in 22-year-olds/24-year-olds is conducive to a "5+-year plan.
If the kid gets ends up getting run over by an army truck... it doesn't mean the plan was not sound.
I never said I wanted to trade Sutter, and once again you did not answer the question.Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:04 pmHow many times have you recently talked about trading him after next season? Why are we going down that road? Wasn't he supposed to be a foundational player, just needing a shot to escape the long shadows of Crosby/Malkin? What happened?!
Lame attempt at trying to change the subject...Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:04 pmSo it's just a case of poor professional scouting. Agreed.Strangelove wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:35 pmNope, pretty much everyone had high hopes for these young guys when they were brought in.Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:23 am I think most of the disagreement stems from his desire to accelerate a traditional rebuild by bringing in guys that most felt were just not going to be part of a long-term solution (the Veys, Clendennings, Pedans, Gudbransons).
Yeahno, the math doesn't work.Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:04 pmBenning has sent twelve picks out the door. He's brought in 10.Strangelove wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:35 pmMind explaining how we could have had 2-4 more picks every year?Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:23 am Some will jump in and say "but he maintained a standard amount of draft picks" miss the potential that having 2-4 more picks every year would bring (or chose to ignore it).
He gave up draft picks in trades for Dorsett, Vey, Baertschi, Prust, Sutter, Etem, Larson, Gudbranson and Pouliot. Maybe he doesn't do some of those deals, maybe in other trades he prioritizes draft picks instead of aging prospects or veterans.
Not hard to think the guy could've picked up 15-20 draft picks over the past 5 seasons...
And for the one-billion-and second time...a pick was not given up in the Sutter trade!
Anyway, like I said to you yesterday, every team gives up picks to fill present needs...
The chance of a home run is just as good either way...Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:04 pmPerhaps, but I would say the older guys give a better indication of what to expect. I'd rather have the chance at a home run than pick up a single.Strangelove wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:35 pm Also, comparing the potential of young developing players to even younger players is a fool's errand.