If, as a long-time Benning skeptic, I concede that Benning started in a disadvantageous position, can we just move on from there and keep this thread about how good a job he has done of managing his way forward out of that position ?RoyalDude wrote:Listen RG Bunker did ya dig Gilleye's first 3 years at the draft table or were you not cool with it? Shit I don't know how anyone in their right mind could be cool with it, maybe the mad Sicilian - Roberto Macenzzi but that is just about it. The Canucks have zilch from Gilleyes first 3 years at the draft table! Zilch! Hell, Benning did better in the 2nd and 3rd round of his first draft than Gilleye did in ALL the rounds of his first 3 drafts. Gawd fucking awful I tell ya.Ronning's Ghost wrote:You keep losing the plot, RD. The thread is not 'The Great Mike Gillis Debate'. Whether or not Mike Gillis was any good is no longer relevant, and of very limited interest.
You're not even helping your argument for Jim Benning's competence. If you insist that Mike Gillis was an absolutely terrible GM, and then argue that Jim Benning is better, then there's still room for Benning to be pretty bad, if the best thing you can say about him is that he's better than a GM you consider to be terrible.
How about comparing Benning to Sam Pollock ?
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I am stunned, RG Bunker!Ronning's Ghost wrote:
If, as a long-time Benning skeptic, I concede that Benning started in a disadvantageous position?
They are finally admitting it, my mission may be over. Doc you see this?
What an admission, thank you, RG
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If that means; Let's stop dwelling in the past and move forward, HOORAY !!!Ronning's Ghost wrote:If, as a long-time Benning skeptic, I concede that Benning started in a disadvantageous position, can we just move on from there and keep this thread about how good a job he has done of managing his way forward out of that position ?RoyalDude wrote:Listen RG Bunker did ya dig Gilleye's first 3 years at the draft table or were you not cool with it? Shit I don't know how anyone in their right mind could be cool with it, maybe the mad Sicilian - Roberto Macenzzi but that is just about it. The Canucks have zilch from Gilleyes first 3 years at the draft table! Zilch! Hell, Benning did better in the 2nd and 3rd round of his first draft than Gilleye did in ALL the rounds of his first 3 drafts. Gawd fucking awful I tell ya.Ronning's Ghost wrote:You keep losing the plot, RD. The thread is not 'The Great Mike Gillis Debate'. Whether or not Mike Gillis was any good is no longer relevant, and of very limited interest.
You're not even helping your argument for Jim Benning's competence. If you insist that Mike Gillis was an absolutely terrible GM, and then argue that Jim Benning is better, then there's still room for Benning to be pretty bad, if the best thing you can say about him is that he's better than a GM you consider to be terrible.
How about comparing Benning to Sam Pollock ?
If not, let's start connecting ALL the dots and keep going in reverse; Nonis left? Burke left? Quinn left? and go all the back to 1970.
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RoyalDude wrote:I am stunned, RG Bunker!Ronning's Ghost wrote:
If, as a long-time Benning skeptic, I concede that Benning started in a disadvantageous position?
They are finally admitting it, my mission may be over. Doc you see this?
What an admission, thank you, RG
I think we all know that Elmer walked into a situation that wasn't ideal and the team was barren of young talent. It doesn't excuse some of the blunders he has made in his three years here.
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Your two cents on Bennings drafting in his first 3 years compared to Gillis first 3 years? Listen Blob, when you are stealing the Demkos, Tryamkins, Gaudettes, Lockwoods, Brisebios, way outside the first round that is nothing short of genius. Do you feel that drafting well is key to the Canucks getting back to its former glory? The glory that Gillis single handedly destroyed!!!Blob Mckenzie wrote:RoyalDude wrote:I am stunned, RG Bunker!Ronning's Ghost wrote:
If, as a long-time Benning skeptic, I concede that Benning started in a disadvantageous position?
They are finally admitting it, my mission may be over. Doc you see this?
What an admission, thank you, RG
I think we all know that Elmer walked into a situation that wasn't ideal and the team was barren of young talent. It doesn't excuse some of the blunders he has made in his three years here.
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Every team has Gaudette , Lockwood and Brisebois type prospects. None of these guys has proven a thing. Tryamkin was a good pick but he wants nothing to do with this organization.Elmer will be judged on Boeser, Juolevi, Virtanen, McCann and this years pick.
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Gillis was in a do or die situation with aging vets his window was "now" so to speak. A lot like Dallas right now, in that scenario you don't protect your pics as hard as maybe they should. To me that's why gillis drafting sucked he put it all out there for the ... now.
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Gaudette ranked 40th on Craig Buttons Top 50 prospects list. Pierre MaGuire drools over Gaudette but that don't matter, just McCann matters who never made the top 50 list, whom the Panthers are not happy with but we got Gudbranson for? Boeser drafted 23rd overall was ranked 15th if memory serves. How'd you like Boesers play whenBlob Mckenzie wrote:Every team has Gaudette , Lockwood and Brisebois type prospects. None of these guys has proven a thing. Tryamkin was a good pick but he wants nothing to do with this organization.Elmer will be judged on Boeser, Juolevi, Virtanen, McCann and this years pick.
We signed him? Demko made the list as well, but that don't matter
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What does Craig Button think of Jake Virtanen ?
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Um so because of that weird logic he should not care about drafting well with the picks they had at the draft? Just phone it in, "pick whoever, I don't give a Rats ass"?rats19 wrote:Gillis was in a do or die situation with aging vets his window was "now" so to speak. A lot like Dallas right now, in that scenario you don't protect your pics as hard as maybe they should. To me that's why gillis drafting sucked he put it all out there for the ... now.
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The book isn't written on Jake yet. Power Forward Wingers take a little longer. I guarantee you Jake will play a big factor with this new culture Benning is farming here. Patience GrasshopperBlob Mckenzie wrote:What does Craig Button think of Jake Virtanen ?
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Yeano kinda , but the lack of picks aided to the disaster, the ones traded away...RoyalDude wrote:Um so because of that weird logic he should not care about drafting well with the picks they had at the draft? Just phone it in, "pick whoever, I don't give a Rats ass"?rats19 wrote:Gillis was in a do or die situation with aging vets his window was "now" so to speak. A lot like Dallas right now, in that scenario you don't protect your pics as hard as maybe they should. To me that's why gillis drafting sucked he put it all out there for the ... now.
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Also to clarify... I am not saying he did good...
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He needed to follow the Detroit model and get lucky in the later rounds.
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Just because Todd Bertuzzi took a while to develop doesn't mean power forwards take any longer to develop than any other player. Eric Lindros, Brendan Shanahan, Milan Lucic, Keith Tkachuk, and Cam Neely say hi.
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Benning does well outside the first round, what's Gillis excuse? Only Hutton in 6 drafts? My gawd man!Cornuck wrote:He needed to follow the Detroit model and get lucky in the later rounds.
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