The Great Jim Benning Debate! (And personal insult thread)

[Blob Mckenzie]

Sutter isn't a blemish

He’s like a big oily mole with a clump of hair growing out of it.

Would you trade him for Andrew Ladd?

Ladd is 32 years old his $5.5 million Cap Hit NTC contract carries him til the end of the 2022-23 season. He will be 38 years old when his contract ends

No I just would have never traded or signed for him in the first place. Not my type of player for the dollars he’s earning. Oh well he isn’t going anywhere and neither is Louis.

I believe you had posted once your desire for this team to go after Andrew Ladd


Do you agree that every team and GM has a bad contract or two under their belt, current and past?

I wanted Ladd at lower term and money. Ditto with Brouwer.

Sure every team has a bad contract. We have two and a couple other weak ones as well. Thing is other than Boeser and Tanev we don’t have any bargain contracts. And even Tanev is hurt so fucking much he isn’t really a great bargain anymore.

[Chef Boi RD]

Sutter will be as old as Andrew Ladd is now when Sutters contract ends. The Modified NTC portion of Sutters contract kicks in after next season for the last two years of his contract. Ladds $5.5 Million cap hit will take him 5 more seasons after this until he is 38. Remember, Bubbles badly wanted Benning to sign him and Brouwer when they were UFA's. Brouwer is 32 the same age as Ladd and has 3 goals and 9 assists in 45 games. Brouwers $4.5 million cap hit contract takes him to two more seasons after this season. Bubbles has an eye for UFA players to sign.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Lol learn to read I said I didn’t like the term or the $$ for either guy.

[SKYO]

Talking to myself<<<<

2020 Jim Benning GM of the fucking year.

[Chef Boi RD]

Lol learn to read I said I didn’t like the term or the $$ for either guy.

So should the Islanders znd flames GMs get fired for those terrible signings?

[Blob Mckenzie]

Lol learn to read I said I didn’t like the term or the $$ for either guy.

So should the Islanders znd flames GMs get fired for those terrible signings?

I’m not sure. I don’t follow these teams as close as the Canucks

[Meds]

Sutter isn't a blemish

The trade for Sutter wasn’t bad. I think we overpaid simply because the Pens weren’t going to be able to re-sign him. I would take Sutter over Bonino most days.

The optics are skewed because immediat after the trade Bonino got to play with Kessel and Hagelin behind a top 6 anchored by Crosby and Malkin.....no team can match up even remotely close when your 3rd line has Kessel and Hagelin on the wings. I mean really, Phil Kessel in the bottom 6? Bones has been a nobody again since leaving Pittsburgh. He had a strong season and playoffs followed up by a lesser season. Won a pair of cups, then left because he wanted Sutter money, Nashville paid him and he has given them 9 points in 33 games.

So the trade was good.

The contract extension was bad.

As far as trades to Benning has made a couple of head scratchers, but not many. It’s the signings and re-signings that feel out to lunch.

[DonCherry4PM]

Sutter and Eriksson will probably be the most vet players here!

SEDINS RETIRE FOR FUCK SAKES!!!!! like beating a deadhorse.

At this point, I would much rather buyout Eriksson (or miraculously trade him) and keep the Sedins at a serious discount. To me, the Sedins are one of the major factors that stop this team from being Edmontonesque - they are true leaders (whether you like [or agree with] their leadership style or not). For sure, they aren't nearly as effective as they once were, but if they could stay as third line players until youth legitimately take their spots, I see benefit in that.

Do you agree that every team and GM has a bad contract or two under their belt, current and past?

RD, do you agree that a "Genius" should be held to a higher standard than the average (or "every") NHL GM?

[Strangelove]

Do you agree that every team and GM has a bad contract or two under their belt, current and past?

RD, do you agree that a "Genius" should be held to a higher standard than the average (or "every") NHL GM?

DC, it's great to see you use the word "Genius" in regards to GMJB.

This thread should be entitled "Is Jim Benning a Genius?"

[Chef Boi RD]

Ken Holland, considered a genius by many in this market. Drafted Svechnikov in the 1st round of the 2015 draft with Boeser still on board. In 2016 drafted Chylowski who isn't looking too good, then followed that up with the UFA signing of Nielsen. Then in the 2017 draft, drafted Rassmussen in the 1st round with so many good players still available like Necas for one. Holland - considered a genius by many, sure ain't looking so genius lately, but that being said, has made his share of mistakes. Like I said, a genius will make his mistakes on his way to his masterpiece. It's the big picture. Stop focusing on the place holders.

[Ronning's Ghost]

This thread should be entitled "Is Jim Benning a Genius?"

I created one to that effect long ago:
http://canuckscorner.com/forums/viewtop ... 8&start=15

I feel that in the mean time, The Dude has provided the definitive answer:

Geniuses create Masterpieces.
Therefore, if Benning creates a Masterpiece, he is a genius.
If he doesn't, he isn't.

In the context of an NHL executive, I would say that a Masterpiece would have to be a dynasty team (or as close as modern rules allow, say, 3 Cups in 6 seasons).

That's actually a more rigorous standard than any I proposed, so I'm happy to abide by it.

[Cousin Strawberry]

My 2 bits is that he's definitely been a good drafting GM but thats only part of the equation. Plenty of teams with tons of young talent that suck.

Until the team gets out of the NHL basement under his hand he's no more than the GM of a shitty team who has drafted a few good forwards.

[Island Nucklehead]

So the trade was good.

The contract extension was bad.

As far as trades to Benning has made a couple of head scratchers, but not many. It’s the signings and re-signings that feel out to lunch.

Not sure that you can look at them in isolation. The Pens traded Sutter because they didn't want to pay him. The Canucks acquired him knowing they had to (and did in a matter of days).

I didn't like the trade or the contract. Bonino was a cost-effective tweener C that was fine here in the role. The perfect placeholder, if you will.

I've always found it curious Benning going out and targetting specific players, cost be damned, when the team is full of holes throughout the lineup. It's not like we were a Brandon Sutter or Erik Gudbranson away from competing. When the team needs first line wingers, top-pairing dman, and the picks/prospects to acquire them, it's odd he'd go out and blow multiple picks/prospects/players for two depth guys, even if they are "high character" and full of "intangibles". To me, these kind of moves that epitomize the failed "rebuild on the fly" strategy.

[ESQ]

Ken Holland, considered a genius by many in this market. Drafted Svechnikov in the 1st round of the 2015 draft with Boeser still on board. In 2016 drafted Chylowski who isn't looking too good, then followed that up with the UFA signing of Nielsen. Then in the 2017 draft, drafted Rassmussen in the 1st round with so many good players still available like Necas for one. Holland - considered a genius by many, sure ain't looking so genius lately, but that being said, has made his share of mistakes. Like I said, a genius will make his mistakes on his way to his masterpiece. It's the big picture. Stop focusing on the place holders.

I've heard a lot of chatter about Holland on 650, which makes me worried that that's where the Aquilinis will go.

Holland is not a good GM. He hasn't had a dangerous team since Lidstom (drafted ten years before he became GM) retired. The team was carried by 1989 draft pick Lidstrom and 1983 draft pick Yzerman for decades, then fluked on 5th and 7th round picks Zetterberg and Datsyuk

Without the GOAT pieces he inherited, or the dumb luck in getting Zetterberg and Datsyuk, the Wings would have looked ... An awful lot like they do now. He had by far the highest payroll pre-cap, and Lidstrom in his prime, and managed one cup in 7 years before the lockout.

He's drafted one top-6 forward, one defenceman, one goalie, and a handful of tweener forwards in the last 18 drafts.

If he was a Good GM, the Wings wouldn't look like they currently do without Datsyuk.

[DonCherry4PM]

Do you agree that every team and GM has a bad contract or two under their belt, current and past?

RD, do you agree that a "Genius" should be held to a higher standard than the average (or "every") NHL GM?

DC, it's great to see you use the word "Genius" in regards to GMJB.

This thread should be entitled "Is Jim Benning a Genius?"

Hold on there! I just asked a simple question. No references whatsoever.

In fact, you should be chastising me for not staying on topic.