The Great Jim Benning Debate! (And personal insult thread)
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[MOD - let's get back on track people]
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Ok, I will say it this way.
Come on RD, everyone here wants to hear where you think the Nucks will be in 2-3 years?
Ok, I will say it this way.
Come on RD, everyone here wants to hear where you think the Nucks will be in 2-3 years?
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In Vancouver
Up and coming amigo, a team to pay attention to
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My contribution to getting back on track, a drafting and development mid-term assessment, as requested:RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:47 pmWould you agree that the most important thing for this organization moving forward from the Gillis fiasco post 2011 is Drafting and Developing? With that in mind how well of a job do you think Jimbro Benning has done in that department?Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 pmAs for is the case for Gillis (as explained above), a criticism of Benning is not an implication that Chiarelli would have done something better. Re-hashing Chiarelli moves is irrelevant, and worse, uninteresting.RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 am Chiarellis top 5
1. Trading Barzal and Beauvellier for Reinhart
2. Trading Hall for Larsson
3. Trading Eberle for Strome
4. Signing Russell to 4 years $4 milllion pet
5. Signing Lucic long term to massive bucks or drafting Puljiatvi 4th overall or not getting a legitimate no. 1 goalie?
Island Nucklehead is campaigning for the Oilers to be respected for the rebuild Chiarelli is doing.
That standard of comparison is not what Chiarelli would have done, but -- as chosen by his most fervent supporters -- what a genius would have done.
Looking forward to that Masterpiece (dynasty). What do you think remains to be done, and how many more seasons do you think it will take ?
We have seen 3 Benning draft picks play in the NHL: Virtanen, Tryamkin, and Boeser. I think it's premature to form an opinion on any others until they play at least 40 NHL games.
Virtanen, based on what we have seen so far, is disappointing for a sixth overall. He may still improve, but right now, we're looking at a C-/D+
Tryamkin looked very good, but doesn't play for the Canucks right now. So that's drafting B+, developing F.
Boeser was a 23th overall pick who is a Calder candidate. Pretty clear A for drafting, but since he entered the NHL out of college, someone else gets credit for the development.
That's a grade point average of about 2.1, or around a C.
The encouraging news is that he seems to be trending upwards. Benning advocates might reasonably hope that Pettersson and Lind will boost his average.
I answered your question, now please answer mine. What does the architect of the rebuild still have to add to create a masterpiece (by position and role), and how many more seasons will it take ?
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Ronnings Goiter is poster of the year
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What he needs to add is an owner to remove the silver spoon from his twat and have the manhood to show his GM the confidence and patience for him to do his job properly, Rome wasn't built in a day, and in those days, mistakes will be made. Benning needs to just keep on hitting well at the draft like he's shown. I could give two shits about your Vanek and Eriksson place holders.
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Lol blame the owner for everything. Sounds like a renter if there ever was oneRoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:52 pm What he needs to add is an owner to remove the silver spoon from his twat and have the manhood to show his GM the confidence and patience for him to do his job properly, Rome wasn't built in a day, and in those days, mistakes will be made. Benning needs to just keep on hitting well at the draft like he's shown. I could give two shits about your Vanek and Eriksson place holders.
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Virtanen is actually more than likely going to be a solid first round selection in the long term. I don't know that he's a 6th overall, or even a top 15 pick. But look at the number of 1st round picks that have amounted to little more than 3rd line players who score less than 40 points per season.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:34 pmOk Einstein would he have drafted Juolevi instead of Dubois, Poolparty or Laine ? I’m sure you would have. You’ve had had his back on this pick forever instead of admitting a mistake. Juolevi isn’t even in the top 12 of a redraft. Virtanen is not a first rounder despite that abortion of a post you made yesterdayRoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:27 pmdrafted Juolevi instead of Matthews....yeahhhh rrrrriiiiiight. Lets let this one sink in for a bit.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:24 pm If we keep on the narrative of reading patterns Elmer would have still drafted Juolevi and laid a massive chunk of shit on the draft floor because we needed defence right
Obviously hindsight being what it is the draft would look different.
Nylander, Larkin, Ehlers, and Pastrnak, are really the only 4 names that jump out screaming "PICK ME" over Virtanen, and I think that both Nylander and Ehlers should be measured along side their linemates. Larkin and Pastrnak are solid picks that would probably be highly effective players regardless of who they play with. I doubt that Nylander or Ehlers would have the same impact in Vancouver that they have had in Toronto alongside Matthews, or in Winnipeg with Scheifele, Laine, and Wheeler.
Still. As it stands now Virtanen has been a bit of a dud for a 6th overall.
I think he would have taken Juolevi over Pullparvi or whatever. I sure hope Laine and Dubois were ranked higher though.
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The fact the owners haven't re-signed Benning by now believes me they are letting him go.
*thanks for the awesome draft picks*
& if that's the case, we got the shittiest owners....as JB is the reason Boston won a cup.
*thanks for the awesome draft picks*
& if that's the case, we got the shittiest owners....as JB is the reason Boston won a cup.
Can the Canucks just win a Cup within the next 5 years.
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Lol care to back this up with anything ?
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Pretty sure the picks we have acquired came to fruition from JB's scouting abilities.
Whether or not he is solely responsible for ALL the free agents and the dollars and goodies for their contracts is hard to know for 100%
Hell, throughout the years I have heard rumors of tremendous squabbling and lack of consensus from within the ownership family.
Too many chefs kind of thing.
"evolution"
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As noted by his brilliant moves in Edmonton can't you tell that it was all Chiarelli in Boston?
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He swapped it with Pittsburghs 3rd in the Sutter trade, which ended up being Will Lockwood. The difference between late 2nd we gave them and early 3rd we got back was like 9 spots or something like thatTodd Bersnoozi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:23 amSo what did JB do with this 2nd round pick? I noticed that we didn't make a 2nd round selection in the 2015 draft. Did he trade it?
Give me Sutter over Bonino any day of the week. Bonino's disgusting performance in the playoffs against the flames was gross beyond words
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