The Great Jim Benning Debate! (And personal insult thread)

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by sagebrush » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:22 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:19 pm
Reefer2 wrote:
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IMO - these 3 new guys are not barring young guys from playing on the team on any line. I do not assume young guys will be brought in to be piss and vinegar, very few can do that. Right now I do not see any prospect that would fit that role.
Good call Reef, obviously you understand Canucks' present situation a lot better than that schmuck eastern writer.

I like where he assumes in July that "roster decisions could come down to who’s waiver eligible and who isn’t, rather than merit."

Wot a schmuck amirite?
The writer (Daniel Wagner, of the Vancouver Courier) lists his residence in ... of all places, ... Vancouver. Not someplace to the East ..
like .. Abbotsford. :P

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Strangelove » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:24 am

sagebrush wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:22 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:19 pm
Reefer2 wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:09 pm
IMO - these 3 new guys are not barring young guys from playing on the team on any line. I do not assume young guys will be brought in to be piss and vinegar, very few can do that. Right now I do not see any prospect that would fit that role.
Good call Reef, obviously you understand Canucks' present situation a lot better than that schmuck eastern writer.

I like where he assumes in July that "roster decisions could come down to who’s waiver eligible and who isn’t, rather than merit."

Wot a schmuck amirite?
The writer (Daniel Wagner, of the Vancouver Courier) lists his residence in ... of all places, ... Vancouver. Not someplace to the East ..
like .. Abbotsford. :P
Oopsie... I should have checked instead of making an assumption.

They have schmucks in Vancouver too?... who knew. :)
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:12 pm

Rocky Dennis wrote:
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gave up watching because he can't handle a rebuild
Or didn’t watch because the team was using slugs like Dowd, Jokinnen, Motte etc. They have developed one player in three seasons. You only watch all 82 because you live in a village of 150 people and you guys make an event out the NHL games and have a community potluck. :lol:

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Someone say potluck?
I have a feeling that THINKER was a fat fuck like that guy. Probably had a jammer and died
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by RoyalDude » Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:25 pm

That's some beer shelf
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Uncle dans leg » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:55 pm

So with the promising start this year and the gems uncovered via the drafts...i wonder how many "pundits" are still calling JB the worst GM in the league.

I'll gladly throw credit where its due and the canucks are definitely on an excellent trajectory for a rapid rebuild.

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Reefer2 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:11 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:55 pm
So with the promising start this year and the gems uncovered via the drafts...i wonder how many "pundits" are still calling JB the worst GM in the league.

I'll gladly throw credit where its due and the canucks are definitely on an excellent trajectory for a rapid rebuild.

If Jimmy brings home a cup I'll gladly dub thee thy GMing Genius
Cup = genius

But if the rumours are true on EP and they would of selected him #1, this place would of gone crazy at the time, now we know what we got.

Although only 1 point in 2 games ......

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:23 pm

The team has three decent d men.

It’s kinda the wheel of a team.

Elmer hasn’t brought in a decent defenceman in five years.

Edler- Cheeseburgular

Tanev- Eye Bags

Hutton- Eye Bags

The rest of the losers are all Elmer’s
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Aaronp18 » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:21 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:23 pm
The rest of the losers are all Elmer’s
Yeah, but lets look at how long even those guys took to develop!

JB has some decent D picks under his belt Joulevi, Tryamkin, Hughes, Woo even guys like Brisebois and Rathbone could absolutely develop into legit NHL defensemen. the proof is actually in the guys you named, none of them developed into top 4 guys quickly or were drafted near the top of the draft. Where was Tanev picked again?

Patience, traditionally the D take longer to develop. We will find what we need, whether it's by developing or potentially making a move!

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Island Nucklehead » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:16 am

Aaronp18 wrote:
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Patience, traditionally the D take longer to develop. We will find what we need, whether it's by developing or potentially making a move!
Yeah, eventually we will get there. It's not rocket science, and it's not rebuilding retooling on the fly, but drafting and developing has served many teams well, and it's showing well for us thus far.

He was touted as a guy that could sort out our abhorrent draft history, and he's on track to do so. UFA/contracts/trades leave much to be desired.

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by RoyalDude » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:30 am

Jimbro is gettinerdun at the draft table (Jimbro mic drop) let’s leave it at that. He will tighten up his trading skills, trust me.

When Hughes, Woo, DeepyRetro, Lockwood, Madden, Rathbone, Thiessen, Brassard, TRYAMKIN all arrive next season they will be pushing the next wave - Lind, Gadjovich, Dahlen, Juolevi, Brisebios, Demko, McEwen, that’s when you’ll see this team rocket to a whole other Jimbro level. He will make wholesale trades this TDL, load up on picks to excite the home fans at the 2019 draft. Still think Jimbro is gonna make a move on one of Trouba or Myles. The Jets are screwed this summer
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:11 am

Jets can keep Myers. He’s been the shits. Trouba wouldn’t want any part of playing here. He’s constantly bitching about playing in Winnipeg and they are one of the best teams in the league.

The Canucks had a good defence for fifteen years despite not having a true #1 guy.

From Pat Quinn to Mike Keenan to Brian Burke to the Cheeseburgular to Eye Bags they brought in quality defencemen because they understood that’s what drives the team. Whether they drafted them, traded for them or signed them as UFA or college free agents, they got them. Elmer hasn’t grasped this concept yet.

Early 90s - Lumme, Diduck, Babych, Brown

Late 90s - McCabe, Aucoin, Jovanovski, Ohlund

Early 2000s- Jovo, Ohlund, Salo, Sopel, Malik

Cheeseburgular- Mitchell, Ohlund, Salo, Bieksa

Eye Bags- Hamhuis, Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Edler, Tanev

Elmer- in five years he hasn’t added a good d man in trade or UFA. Has one blue chip prospect and a couple maybes in the system.

The ironic thing is that at the 2016 draft they tried to nab a d man at #5 but let half dozen or more other better players pass by some of which were defensemen. That’s fine and every GM makes poor picks. Mike Gillis almost exclusively did but he also never drafted anywhere near as high. It doesn’t excuse not adding any talent on the back end via trade or UFA in five years.
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by RoyalDude » Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:28 am

Gillis brought in Edler and Bieksa?

Remove those two and replace with - Alberts, Rome, Stanton, Ballard, Gragnani, Kraijcek, Diaz, Oberg, McIver

Genius D bringing in by Gillis

The draft doesn’t end and begin with lottery picks, why are teams like Tampa, Anaheim and Pittsburgh still drafting well all the while finishing at the top of the league. Benning has done very well all over the draft whereas Gillis couldn’t draft his way out of a paper bag

I’ll say it and I’ll say it again, Gillis putrid drafting over 6 drafts royally screwed thus team over for the next decade. No GM in Canuck history has fucked up the health of a teams pipeline as badly as Mike Gillis did and that my friend will be his legacy. All the other GMs previous manged to find gems throughout their drafts, this is Mikes 6 years of drafting legacy today in the NHL

Horvat - by trading a major young goalie asset
Hutton
Connauton


Am I missing some of Mikes picks who are currently in the NHL?

6 years of drafting. There you have it

A team fucked up for the next decade due to historically putrid drafting
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:30 am

RoyalDude wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:28 am
Gillis brought in Edler and Bieksa?

Remove those two and replace with - Alberts, Rome, Stanton, Ballard, Gragnani, Kraijcek, Diaz, Oberg, McIver

Genius D bringing in by Gillis.
They were on the team when he was here.

He did bring in Hamhuis, Ehrhoff, Hutton and Tanev

Hamhuis at 36 would easily be this teams 3rd or 4th best d man depending on if you rate him ahead of Hutton. Idiotic how they handled him in 2016
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:49 am

RoyalDude wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:28 am
Gillis brought in Edler and Bieksa?

Remove those two and replace with - Alberts, Rome, Stanton, Ballard, Gragnani, Kraijcek, Diaz, Oberg, McIver

Genius D bringing in by Gillis

The draft doesn’t end and begin with lottery picks, why are teams like Tampa, Anaheim and Pittsburgh still drafting well all the while finishing at the top of the league. Benning has done very well all over the draft whereas Gillis couldn’t draft his way out of a paper bag

I’ll say it and I’ll say it again, Gillis putrid drafting over 6 drafts royally screwed thus team over for the next decade. No GM in Canuck history has fucked up the health of a teams pipeline as badly as Mike Gillis did and that my friend will be his legacy. All the other GMs previous manged to find gems throughout their drafts, this is Mikes 6 years of drafting legacy today in the NHL

Horvat - by trading a major young goalie asset
Hutton
Connauton


Am I missing some of Mikes picks who are currently in the NHL?

6 years of drafting. There you have it

A team fucked up for the next decade due to historically putrid drafting
Thanks Captain Obvious. We all know Eye Bags was a disaster at the draft table. That isn’t the only way to add a quality defenceman. Dan Hamhuis, Christian Ehrhoff, Chris Tanev. Do these names ring a bell? Cheeseburgular managed to get Willie Mitchell to play here. I guess drafting decent defencemen is the only way to acquire them in your world.
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by RoyalDude » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:08 am

The book written on?

Hughes
Juolevi
Woo
Tryamkin
Brisebios
Rathbone

Gudbranson for

McCann - 2 goals 4 assists - jiminy crickets!!
Asplund - 1 goals 2 assists - sufferin’ suckutash!!
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