The Great Jim Benning Debate!

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Reefer2 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:57 pm

Thanks HW, best post in a loooooong time.

Agreed on everything.

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by RoyalDude » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:45 pm

Reefer2 wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:57 pm
Thanks HW, best post in a loooooong time.

Agreed on everything.
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Hockey Widow » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:09 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:45 pm
Reefer2 wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:57 pm
Thanks HW, best post in a loooooong time.

Agreed on everything.
You are being gaslighted raffles, snap out of it!

I have a hard time understanding you sometimes Dude. I’m not sure what your problem with me is but it gets tiring. I suppose if I wrote endless drivel I’d be your new best friend?
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Strangelove » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:34 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:38 pm
Hopefully a couple of posters who’ve been bombing the board with bird shit Benning propaganda for the last few years just read that well written post by HW.
Interesting.

What effect do you feel HW's well written post should have had on these alleged spreaders of propaganda?
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by RoyalDude » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:36 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:09 pm
RoyalDude wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:45 pm
Reefer2 wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:57 pm
Thanks HW, best post in a loooooong time.

Agreed on everything.
You are being gaslighted raffles, snap out of it!

I have a hard time understanding you sometimes Dude. I’m not sure what your problem with me is but it gets tiring. I suppose if I wrote endless drivel I’d be your new best friend?
All good Hdub, just pokin the bear. Bubbles plight just needs to be deligitimized on a constant timely basis. It's for his own good
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Lancer » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:00 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:52 pm
Why is this even current news? It has always been known that we have a very active and controlling ownership group. And we have water boy who in Trumpian fashion talked/talks behind the backs of those he has hired and gone to outside sources for advice. Again, this was the exact scenario when both Gillis and subsequently Linden where brought on board. He went to both of them respectively to talk about the current GM and sought their counsel. Eventually both were hired as replacements in an underhanded way.
Now we have Willes musing about whether Holland is in the cards to replace Benning. Smoke? If MacIntyre starts talking about Holland, I'm willing to bet there's fire there, considering the Aquaboys' MO.
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Todd Bersnoozi » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:03 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
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FWIW someone said they heard Gary Mason say on am650 that Elmer’s situation will likely not be resolved until seasons end. The owners are pissed about the empty seats and the loss of revenue. Mason is as plugged in as anyone concerning the Canucks. Funny to hear Geoff Courtnall has been seen with Aquilini a few times recently
As I recall, Courts actually recommended MG to Aqua back in the day. It'd be funny if this time around, Courts is making a play for himself. :P

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by RoyalDude » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:15 pm

Stick s fork in Holland, he's cooked. His best days are behind him, but then again, hockey fans and hockey media havevalways given more credence to past glories than current glories, so I'm not surprised the moronics think Holland here is a good idea, typical.
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Lancer » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:38 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:15 pm
Stick s fork in Holland, he's cooked. His best days are behind him, but then again, hockey fans and hockey media havevalways given more credence to past glories than current glories, so I'm not surprised the moronics think Holland here is a good idea, typical.
I'm of the same mind. Truth be told, I'll take the devil we know in Benning than turf him for someone who's biggest achievement was drafting Zetterberg and Datsyuk and signing FAs to build around a core he inherited. He may be worth the hype, but I'd take Benning's prospect pool over Detroit's these days - arguably the more important factor considering where the team is.
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by SKYO » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:51 pm

Yup someone did some superb research about hiring GM's who won a Stanley Cup with a previous team before and the new team that hired them and their success was pretty bad with their new team.

Getting a youngerish GM who has some skill and letting him work with some stability is the best process to build a winner.

JB was an assistant GM for awhile and got to see his team win a Cup under Chiarelli, so he has some good experience in that respect, they drafted well, signed some key UFA's, made a couple good trades and got that win over us in 2011 lol.

Benning imo has got a solid pipeline of prospects on their way, all of whom are ripping it up in their respective leagues, Allsvenskan (Dahlen), SHL (Pettersson), SM-liiga (Juolevi), NCAA (Gaudette, Lockwood (before unfortunate injury), WHL (Lind), OHL (DiPietro, Gadjovich[Team Canada]), AHL (Demko, Holm)......oh yeah Tryamkin KHL.

Horvat, Tanev contracts! :thumbs:

JB still needs that homerun trade though.
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Ronning's Ghost » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:54 pm

SKYO wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:51 pm
JB still needs that homerun trade though.
Not if he lands another home run draft. Maybe this is the year the Canucks win the draft lottery.

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by SKYO » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:59 pm

All that hard work scouting/drafting, key UFA's, the next bit is those hard to do good trades, you need a little luck here & there to build a future core of contenders.

Pittsburgh was clearly tanking to land Mario and then Crosby, their GM was notorious for getting pissed off at their coach everytime the Pens scored a goal.

But thanks to the Oilers rule, trying to tank and get 1st overall is pretty hard these days, best bet is through deft trades for youth via moving your vets.
& gaining more draft picks to increase the chances of landing a top tier piece.

Yes of course winning the draft lotto would be the golden ticket for this team to land their #1 dman they've never had ever in it's history, but it's gonna take more losing this year and Trevor Linden to act like Craig MacTavish at the draft lotto, wear some glasses and act all chill.
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Hockey Widow » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:19 am

We hit our home run once. We drafted 2nd and 3rd overall in the same draft. I'd say that turned out pretty ok for us.
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by 5thhorseman » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:22 am

Hockey Widow wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:52 pm
... we are still a bottom feeder and still several years away, if the majority of our prospects live up to expectations, from being a threat.
So that's 2-3 more years before we're a threat, and then a couple more before we're a contender? And there's that big "IF". Every GM should get one extension. It's just the duration that should be in doubt.

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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!

Post by Hockey Widow » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:31 am

5thhorseman wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:22 am
Hockey Widow wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:52 pm
... we are still a bottom feeder and still several years away, if the majority of our prospects live up to expectations, from being a threat.
So that's 2-3 more years before we're a threat, and then a couple more before we're a contender? And there's that big "IF". Every GM should get one extension. It's just the duration that should be in doubt.
If we stay healthy, if we make the playoffs, yada yada yada, then anything can happen.

But ya, I think we are a good 2-3 years away from being respectable, fun, exciting to watch, can win on any night type of team. And if just half of our prospects live up to expectations and depending upon how this current "core" develops, I think in about 3 years we will be knocking on the door of being a realistic competitive team. Being seen as a contender though, that will have to play out.

If Demko is the real deal....
If Trymankin returns....
If Juolevi is a true top four....
If Horvat can hold down a top six centre spot....
If Boeser continues what he's doing.....
If Petterson is the real deal....
If someone, somewhere steps up to be our other top six centre.....


A lot of ifs but if it holds, we have a good supporting cast to surround that core, currently under contract or in our prospect pool. Along with whoever we draft during the next 3-4 drafts.
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