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First round picks

Postby Cornuck » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:32 pm

I was looking at the roster and figured that we have a good number of 1st round picks playing right now. Does it matter that we didn't draft them all?

If we had drafted them, would we be more patient and excited for players like Etem and Baetschi?

Jared McCann 1 2014
Jake Virtanen 1 2014
Bo Horvat 1 2013
Brendan Gaunce 1 2012
Sven Baertschi 1 2011
Emerson Etem 1 2010
Luca Sbisa 1 2008
Brandon Sutter 1 2007
Chris Higgins 1 2002
Dan Hamhuis 1 2001
Daniel Sedin 1 1999
Henrik Sedin 1 1999
Markus Granlund 2 2011
Jacob Markstrom 2 2008
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Re: First round picks

Postby 5thhorseman » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:10 pm

Many of them were poor first round picks, which is how they ended up on our team, lol.

Doesn't matter who drafted them though. Patience level should depend on how many NHL games they've been given to prove their worth.
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Re: First round picks

Postby damonberryman » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:13 pm

5thhorseman wrote:Many of them were poor first round picks, which is how they ended up on our team, lol.

Doesn't matter who drafted them though. Patience level should depend on how many NHL games they've been given to prove their worth.


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Re: First round picks

Postby Jovocop » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:28 pm

5thhorseman wrote:Many of them were poor first round picks, which is how they ended up on our team, lol.

Doesn't matter who drafted them though. Patience level should depend on how many NHL games they've been given to prove their worth.


Hamhuis (12th), Sutter (11th), Etem (29th), Baertschi (13th) are not superstars but they were not poor first round picks. They are at the very least capable NHL players. Sbisa (19th) and Higgins (14th), despite not being well like here, were not poor first round picks. However, I could not say the same about Nathan Smith and Patrick White. :evil:
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Re: First round picks

Postby Hockey Widow » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:30 pm

Well with a list like that we should be a contender soon. We all know that a contender needs a lot of first round picks to become a contender. Right?
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Re: First round picks

Postby 5thhorseman » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:53 pm

Jovocop wrote:
5thhorseman wrote:Many of them were poor first round picks, which is how they ended up on our team, lol.

Doesn't matter who drafted them though. Patience level should depend on how many NHL games they've been given to prove their worth.


Hamhuis (12th), Sutter (11th), Etem (29th), Baertschi (13th) are not superstars but they were not poor first round picks. They are at the very least capable NHL players. Sbisa (19th) and Higgins (14th), despite not being well like here, were not poor first round picks. However, I could not say the same about Nathan Smith and Patrick White. :evil:

Yeah by "poor" I meant they weren't keepers for the teams that drafted them. I'd venture to say that expectations for a first round pick are Top 6 forward or Top 4 D. Maybe not a "poor pick" given the chances of success, but below expectations.
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Re: First round picks

Postby Puck » Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:05 pm

That might be a fan's expectation, but without actually investigating I'll bet that a first-round pick should (statistically) get you an NHL roster player. I suspect top-6 and top-4D players are less frequent than the top-30.
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Re: First round picks

Postby Strangelove » Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:30 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Well with a list like that we should be a contender soon. We all know that a contender needs a lot of first round picks to become a contender. Right?


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Re: First round picks

Postby 5thhorseman » Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:00 pm

I'd say that it's a manager's expectation as well. No manager's uses their 1st round pick on a player projected to be a 3rd liner. Results, of course, are always less than expectations. Anyways, semantics.
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Re: First round picks

Postby micky107 » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:51 am

High first round picks are a great start in building or rebuilding a team but it takes more, look at Edmonton. We have an owner that is willing to spend to the cap, that's great but I've noticed Francesco has a habit of wanting splashy names when free agency comes around. That's ok once in a while but if he wants to see this happen sooner than later you have to pay outside the cap as well, meaning great amounts of money and resources put into finding those diamonds in the rough. They are there! Detroit, Chicago and other teams are finding them. Is he willing to spend that kind of money and is Benning smart enough to get the right scouts everywhere? This is something we haven't been too good at through out the years, well maybe Bure....
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Re: First round picks

Postby Mondi » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:03 am

micky107 wrote:High first round picks are a great start in building or rebuilding a team but it takes more, look at Edmonton. We have an owner that is willing to spend to the cap, that's great but I've noticed Francesco has a habit of wanting splashy names when free agency comes around. That's ok once in a while but if he wants to see this happen sooner than later you have to pay outside the cap as well, meaning great amounts of money and resources put into finding those diamonds in the rough. They are there! Detroit, Chicago and other teams are finding them. Is he willing to spend that kind of money and is Benning smart enough to get the right scouts everywhere? This is something we haven't been too good at through out the years, well maybe Bure....


For the love god, stop using Edmonton as the paradigm for why top picks aren't the answer.

First, two out of Edmonton's four top picks were garbage by first overall standards. They were either poor draft years, or poor picks or both.

Second, Edmonton now has 3-4 real players, and will be trending in the right direction. McDavid and Draisaitl are examples excellent top 3 picks, RNH and Yakupov are not.

Third, Nurse looks to be a player on D, and Edmonton should be exchanging RNH, Yakupov and perhaps Eberle for further help on D. In my view, a proper Edmonton tank and turn around did not start until 2014. And let's face it, nothing really stinky is really turned around in 1 to 3 seasons (wake up Nucks fans this will take a while).

And further, this idea that first round picks are a "great starting point" or that contenders [don't] need lots of first round picks" is nonsense.

Take a look at the vast majority of Cups winners, and what do you see?

Chicago - Kane (1st), Toews (3rd)
LA - Doughty (2nd), Gaborik (3rd)
Chicago - As above
LA - As above, less Gaborik
Bruins - An outlier, though they had Seguin (2nd), Horton (3rd)
Chicago - As above
Pitt - Crosby (1st), MAF (1st), Malkin (2nd), Staal (2nd)
Det - An outlier
Anaheim - Pronger (2nd), Niedermayer (3rd)
Canes - Staal (2nd), Ladd (4th)
Tampa - Lecavelier (1st)
Devils - Niedermayer (3rd), Stevens (5th)
Det - Shanahan (2nd), Yzerman (4th)
Colorado - Outlier, though they had Forsberg (6th) (formerly Lindros (1st)) and, Sakic (15th)
Devils - Niedermayer (3rd), Stevens (5th)
Dallas - Modano (1st)
Det - Shanahan (2nd), Yzerman (4th), Murphy (4th)
Det - Shanahan (2nd), Yzerman (4th), Murphy (4th)
Colarado - As above, plus Ricci (4th)
Devils - Niedermayer (3rd), Stevens (5th)
Rangers - Outlier
Habs - Outier
Pens - Lemieux (1st), Francis (4th), Jagr (5th)
Pens - Lemieux (1st), Francis (4th), Jagr (5th)
Oil - Murphy (1st), Simpson (2nd),
Flames - McDonald (4th)
Oil - Gretzky (we all know where he would have been picked)
Oil - Gretzky
Hab - Smith (1st)
Oil - Gretzky
Oil - Gretzky
Isles - Potvin (1st)
Isles - Potvin (1st)
Isles - Potvin (1st)
Isles - Potvin (1st)

In my view, you better have some (likely homegrown) top 5 picks in your line up if you want the Cup.
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Re: First round picks

Postby Topper » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:11 am

You have to wonder why the Penguins have not been more dominant based upon your list. An obvious outlier.
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Re: First round picks

Postby Mondi » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:16 am

Fair point, but even one Cup is a tremendous accomplishment (see Canuck 46 year history).
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Re: First round picks

Postby Arachnid » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:42 am

According to Blob 'BlowHarder' McKenzie... a tank to draft 1st is what will solve everything :roll:
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Re: First round picks

Postby Topper » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:21 am

......... using that reasoning he's bet the farm on the Oilers for the Cup each of the last three years.
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