2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Aaronp18 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:53 pm

Cornuck wrote: Shitty management can overcome great opportunity - anytime!
True, but I really don't believe we have shitty management.

Would it have been nice to grab a few more picks or prospects, without question. It's not a failure that we didn't though.

It's a detour. Same destination, just modifying the route!

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Cornuck » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:20 pm

Aaronp18 wrote:
Cornuck wrote: Shitty management can overcome great opportunity - anytime!
True, but I really don't believe we have shitty management.

Would it have been nice to grab a few more picks or prospects, without question. It's not a failure that we didn't though.

It's a detour. Same destination, just modifying the route!
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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by dbr » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:46 am

Topper wrote:
TDA Rum wrote:People have to remember that there will be at least 15 teams in severe cap trouble next season, so there is the potential to get some really good deals via trade or signing other teams RFA's... Benning and Linden have a plan, just have to be patient until it all unfolds...
.....what 's the value of pierre junior' peso?
.....what will the cap be next year?
.....how much whining will the PA do about escrow?

Cap space is especially valuable heading into next season.......but don't tell the teabaggers. They won't listen.
Wait a minute. Hold on now. I'm not as dialed in as I used to be so maybe I need to be set straight here.

Cap space next season is valuable?

Someone tell that to the guy paying $12m+ of that season's cap sapce to Miller, Sbisa and Dorsett.

Or even just to the guys who've been claiming that a rebuilding team shouldn't be concerned about managing their cap well.

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Topper » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:42 am

dbr wrote:
Topper wrote:
TDA Rum wrote:People have to remember that there will be at least 15 teams in severe cap trouble next season, so there is the potential to get some really good deals via trade or signing other teams RFA's... Benning and Linden have a plan, just have to be patient until it all unfolds...
.....what 's the value of pierre junior' peso?
.....what will the cap be next year?
.....how much whining will the PA do about escrow?

Cap space is especially valuable heading into next season.......but don't tell the teabaggers. They won't listen.
Wait a minute. Hold on now. I'm not as dialed in as I used to be so maybe I need to be set straight here.

Cap space next season is valuable?

Someone tell that to the guy paying $12m+ of that season's cap sapce to Miller, Sbisa and Dorsett.

Or even just to the guys who've been claiming that a rebuilding team shouldn't be concerned about managing their cap well.
It is masterful cap management. Knowing exactly when cap space is necessary.

It is all about balance. Are you unbalanced?

You are ignoring the cap space freed up at season's end.

You are ignoring the cap space freed up at the end of next season.

Are you ignorant and unbalanced?
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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by dbr » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:55 am

What about next season? What about Dorsett and Sbisa's deals extending beyond it? I don't see the cap skyrocketing any time soon so they will probably be occupying about the same % of our space in 2017-18 that they will next year..

I agree that maintaining a good position under the cap is critical in building a winner, something that a contingent here scoffed at when people complained about those two deals.

I'm not ignoring the cap space we'll have in the summer (although I imagine that after re-signing Hamhuis there won't be a ton of it). I look forward to seeing what Benning does with his cap space in the offseason, it's going to be a buyer's market. It's a shame he won't have more...

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Groovypippin » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:13 am

If the cap stays the same or drops next season due to the low Canadian dollar, there may be some predatory advantage for a team like the Canucks with cap room. Look at a team like Tampa Bay that is brimming with talent and has UFA/RFA nightmares ahead. But this is why I would be completely opposed to resigning Hambuis unless we get an extreme hometown discount.

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Arachnid » Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:51 am

rats19 wrote:
Aaronp18 wrote:
rats19 wrote:Fair enough ap.....how about the coach? Can we drive him to the airport? In the summer ?
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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Arachnid » Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:54 am

Coilers we are not.

I like Jake's take http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-1040- ... s-1.446212

How else did the young'ns get better over the year? Rats says it wasn't the coaching so we have to look at the benefits of having leaders on the team. The Sedans (pun sarcasmed ) learned a lot from Markus...
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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by rats19 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:11 pm

Arachnid wrote:Coilers we are not.

I like Jake's take http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-1040- ... s-1.446212

How else did the young'ns get better over the year? Rats says it wasn't the coaching so we have to look at the benefits of having leaders on the team. The Sedans (pun sarcasmed ) learned a lot from Markus...
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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Arachnid » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:23 pm

rats19 wrote:
Arachnid wrote:Coilers we are not.

I like Jake's take http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-1040- ... s-1.446212

How else did the young'ns get better over the year? Rats says it wasn't the coaching so we have to look at the benefits of having leaders on the team. The Sedans (pun sarcasmed ) learned a lot from Markus...
*wiggle*
Lotsa wiggle room there Rattie...I guess the so called pundits didn't think about the intangibles....like people using gerbils for suburban fun ;)
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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Diehard1 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:48 pm

TDA Rum wrote:People have to remember that there will be at least 15 teams in severe cap trouble next season, so there is the potential to get some really good deals via trade or signing other teams RFA's... Benning and Linden have a plan, just have to be patient until it all unfolds...
I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with getting picks or prospects at the deadline. No reason you can't get young guys on cheap contracts or picks which take up no cap space.

Benning and linden have some work to do this summer to win back some fans. Hopefully they can do it.

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by 5thhorseman » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:16 am

Forget about what the hacks say or what Benning states publicly, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a simple as Benning respects Hamhuis and sees him as an integral part of the team going forward, as the old guard passes the torch to the young guns, so turning his life upside down for a few months for the sake of a few draft picks which may or not turn out just didnt' fit into that picture. Hockey players are human beings too after all.

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Arachnid » Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:14 am

5thhorseman wrote:Forget about what the hacks say or what Benning states publicly, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a simple as Benning respects Hamhuis and sees him as an integral part of the team going forward, as the old guard passes the torch to the young guns, so turning his life upside down for a few months for the sake of a few draft picks which may or not turn out just didnt' fit into that picture. Hockey players are human beings too after all.
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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Hockey Widow » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:32 am

When you read and re-read everything that has been written on this matter a picture begins to emerge that is consistent with most stories. Bob McKenzie, I think, summed it up the best and without a preconceived notion or any bias.

After going through everything I believe the mistake Bennng and Linden made began over the summer. They over estimated to state of the team. But even in doing that they both said unequivocally that both Vrbata and Hamhuis had to be extended or traded. Benning said he would revisit that in Jan. That was the second mistake. Come Jan they were still of the belief the team was better than it was and nothing was done to seriously address the status of those two. But it was severely hampered instead by Hamhuis's serious injury.

They also failed to pump up Vrbata's value from that point on.

Until Hamhuis returned from injury he really wasn't in play.

Hamhuis only agreed several days before the deadline to waive.

If they could get a do over I venture it turns out differently. But the problem IMO began with poorly evaluating the state of the team and that coloured everything moving forward. As to the fatal day, I don't think there was much Benning could do to recover. As for ownership involvement I think McKenzie again put it into perspective. The Canucks were never offered the Russell return. It was the circle back offering up an insult that the owner may have been involved in but my information is that neither Benning nor Linden were going to accept a late round in 2017 so if ownership was involved is would have been a reaffirmation of that position. Much like BB refused to trade Camalari for a late round pick that he considered an insult. As a GM you can't give into that.

Call it a learning curve. More experienced GM's made deals and seemed to read the market well. The exception is Treliving who as an inexperienced GM did an amazing job in getting what he did for Hudler and Russell. I would venture, no I would hope, that Benning learns from this.

The bigger picture is that our scraps have little to no value. Moving forward Benning needs to look at players like Burrows, Dorsett, Sbisa, Miller and see if he can move any of them. I also think next year at this time he needs to look at moving Hansen, or decide if he wants to extend him in 2017.

An opportunity has been lost to gain a few draft picks, but keep in mind only one first traded hands and pretty well everyone says Chicago did not offer that first for Hamhuis. So he missed a chance for a couple of seconds. The prospects that were traded were not grade A prospects so it's too early to say if we missed a chance there. I still feel it was unfortunate, it would have felt better getting something. But I'm ok with Hamhuis coming back on a 2-3 year deal if the money is right. If that happens it won't feel like a loss.

I think we can all agree there is a lot of work to do. If all we do is re-sign Hamhuis and replace Vrbata with Lucic I'll be pissed though. I want more cap cleared and a bigger impact in FA, if possible.
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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by RoyalDude » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:49 am

They should have hired HW as GM, her hindsight is out of this world. Let's see, they made the playoffs in 2015. No brass expects a team to go from what 7th best in the league to 8th worst where they stand now. Is that fair? The brass went into this season with the goal of making the playoffs like they did in 2015.. Where in that would we assume that they should not try to make the playoffs again? Holy fuck. They weren't really out it until what a month ago, if that. I guess you can fault them for not adjusting. But do not blame Benning for Vrbatas low stock price Igbo now. That sits squarely on WD's shoulders. Nobody is going to come running to you to get an injured old man in Radim who is having a shitty year. Resigning Hamhius will be better for our youth movement than getting a second round pick. We were never ever getting a first for a 34 year old rental in Hamhius. Get off the couch once in while HW, Stanley Park Seawall is great for getting fresh air into your lungs and aviiding muscular atrophy

And like injuries had nothing to do with the debauchery of this season
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