2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Meds » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:17 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas- ... is-russell

Good read from the Dallas News.

Sounds like Benning was telling the truth, in the end Dallas chose Russell. One of the reasons was his ability to play both sides and the flexibility that gives the team. They also like his shot blocking and in your face attitude that Nill thinks is perfect playoff hockey.

Nill also said they weren't really ready to pull the trigger much earlier. It came down to targeting Russell in Jan, tracking Calgary since then, getting confirmation from them a few days ago that he was available as the Flames did want to re-sign him.

Also sounded like Gags was very involved and that's why they circled back to see if they could still land Hamhuis. A little in your face pay back from the Sandman that rightly Benning wanted no part of. That would have been getting ass f....in this case I think getting nothing rather than getting ass f...was the better approach. Nill said it would have been nice to add a second vet D man but not at the expense of giving up all you assets. They chose the one they wanted.

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Nah. He never once said that Russell was THE guy he wanted. He said they targeted two defensemen and they got one of them so they are happy they got that done.

No GM is going to make a trade like that and then say that they settled for player B because player A wasn't available. You might say that when movin gout a young propsect or something, but even that is (was) a dumb move (Benning).

That article reads like they were in negotiations with both Calgary and Vancouver. And, while it doesn't say that Russell was first choice, it also doesn't say that "the other guy" was the first choice.

Those were such politically crafted answers that this doesn't put any theories or rumours to rest.

It is just too easy to believe that Trader Jim misread the market, tried to squeeze too much out of Dallas and got burned. The swing back offering a low pick for Hammer was probably due to the Gaglardi/Aquabros relationship and a way of saying "fuck you" to the guy who tried to bend them over.

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Aaronp18 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:29 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:lol not hiding... Arachnid brought up the pundits saying the Canucks didn't fail, when in fact the opposite is true.

That's fine you guys are fine with the day, most people think it was botched.
Fail is such a definitive word. Are the Canucks still in the NHL, yes. They haven't failed.

The end goal is to win the Cup, there's going to be hundreds of little battles along the way. The Canucks, as well as most of the fanbase, were likely hoping for a better outcome on this years TDD.

So, we didn't win this battle. There's no failure though. Live and learn, move on to the next opportunity and plan accordingly.

Really we should be looking to the 2018 or more likely the 2019 season to be truly competitive again after what will eventually be a complete turnover from our team that went to the Cup in 2011. That's a mere 8 years.

If Benning and Linden can't get us deep into the playoffs by then he's failed at his goal and will likely get replaced.

Could you imagine if you were analyzed at work for an individual day instead of your overall body of work, not to mention when it hasn't even been completed yet? I'm sure there's a realistic goal and a timeline in place, of which Aquilini has been apprised of. If I can see that we will have to wait until around 2018/19 to legitimately see results you can bet Frank does and management has likely explained all this to him.

Patience.

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by rats19 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:34 pm

Fair enough ap.....how about the coach? Can we drive him to the airport? In the summer ?
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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Aaronp18 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:37 pm

rats19 wrote:Fair enough ap.....how about the coach? Can we drive him to the airport? In the summer ?
Placeholder.

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by rats19 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:39 pm

Aaronp18 wrote:
rats19 wrote:Fair enough ap.....how about the coach? Can we drive him to the airport? In the summer ?
Placeholder.

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Ahhhh, so patience again...I see
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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Meds » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:41 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:I'm not sure which sources you're reading. If the Canucks wanted Hamhuis to be a mentor for the rest of the season, and valued him as a player and a human(as he expressed a desire to stay and only reluctantly waived his NTC for the good of the franchise) he would have never been shopped in the first place.

But whatever, keep using your keen hockey sense to try and find silver linings in yesterday's mess.
If the Canucks wanted Hamhuis as a mentor for the kids, and the knew that he wanted to stay in Vancouver and was open to the idea of leaving for a few months and then coming back to Vancouver in July, AND admitting that the playoffs are probably out of reach.....

They definitely would shop him. There are 21 games left. The kids would be fine learning from Edler, Burrows, and the Sedins until April. Then Hamhuis comes back for next year to be that mentor again.

As for valuing him as a player and human.....it's a business. They showed him that courtesy by not pressuring him, just simply asking him where and where not and honouring that.

The real answer as to whether he is seen as a piece of the Canucks future will come in the form of an extension.....or lack thereof.

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Aaronp18 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:43 pm

rats19 wrote: Ahhhh, so patience again...I see
Necessary to be a Canucks fan!

Willie gets, at most, one more year IMO.

Green is doing good things in Utica and the Canucks won't want to lose him.

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Arbour » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:49 pm

It may be trite but a trade can't happen without having a trading partner and the Canucks other than kids had limited number of veterans available. Higgins was dead in the water from day one by virtue of his contract. Prust had limited value and injuries and losing a step takes him out of the equation. Vrbata is a known playoff floater and his effort this year makes him hardly worth the risk. Edler is hurt. Miller is an off season deal at best.

Hamhuis by virtue of his contract could rightfully limit where he would go, Chicago decided their number one priority was a forward, and without unloading Bickell couldn't fit Hamhuis under the cap. Which leaves Dallas who targeted two dmen, and most likely took the one they had to pay the least for and whom they had a chance of resigning if he works out. On the other hand if what Willis says is true, that ownership vetoed a deal that was in place, it's hardly Bennings fault. Good on him for not taking a token subsequent offer for Hamhuis after the Russel deal was concluded.

It's business and the Canucks were hardly in the driver's seat given what they had to offer to contending teams at the deadline and every GM in the league knew it. Onward to the draft.

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Uncle dans leg » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:57 pm

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Groovypippin » Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:03 pm

I think it's OK to be these two things at once:

1) Disappointed that the Canucks were unable to turn expiring UFA contracts into tangible assets like other teams were.

2) Understanding of the fact that no one wanted Vrbata and the "Magnificent Seven" and it was horrible luck that Hamhuis only agreed to go to two teams who both decided to go in a different direction instead of dancing with the Canucks.

In the real world things sometimes go in the opposite direction you would like them too and that doesn't make you an incompetent bum.

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Island Nucklehead » Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:26 pm

Aaronp18 wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote:lol not hiding... Arachnid brought up the pundits saying the Canucks didn't fail, when in fact the opposite is true.

That's fine you guys are fine with the day, most people think it was botched.
Fail is such a definitive word. Are the Canucks still in the NHL, yes. They haven't failed.
I guess the Oilers are set.

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by TDA Rum » Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:27 pm

People have to remember that there will be at least 15 teams in severe cap trouble next season, so there is the potential to get some really good deals via trade or signing other teams RFA's... Benning and Linden have a plan, just have to be patient until it all unfolds...

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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by Cornuck » Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:29 pm

Groovypippin wrote:In the real world things sometimes go in the opposite direction you would like them too and that doesn't make you an incompetent bum.
You know... it's really hard to get the fan base riled up with an attitude like that!
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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by RoyalDude » Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:06 pm

TDA Rum wrote:People have to remember that there will be at least 15 teams in severe cap trouble next season, so there is the potential to get some really good deals via trade or signing other teams RFA's... Benning and Linden have a plan, just have to be patient until it all unfolds...
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Re: 2016 TRADE DEADLINE TRACKER

Post by RoyalDude » Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:10 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote: Acutally, MOST hockey pundits are labelling Benning's day as ranging between disapointing and inexcusable and even trouble from above. I'm not sure which sources you're reading. If the Canucks wanted Hamhuis to be a mentor for the rest of the season, and valued him as a player and a human(as he expressed a desire to stay and only reluctantly waived his NTC for the good of the franchise) he would have never been shopped in the first place.

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