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Re: Canucks Special Teams

Postby Tiger » Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:41 pm

Meds wrote:
Rayxor wrote:Put the Sedins on separate units. Each with a fast skating shooter. Don't put your 2 best set-up men on the same line.


This has been tried. It fails epically. Henrik maintains his level of play but Dank disappears. They are both good playmakers, but Daniel's playmaking is more away from the puck, and transitioning the first pass, than with the puck. He's been the "tac or toe" in tic-tac-toe for too long.


So,its possible to use Henrik without Daniel but not the other way around ..
Probably the twins would object to benching Daniel and putting out a line
of Hank, Vrbata and Edler..
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Re: Canucks Special Teams

Postby SKYO » Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:29 pm

Hutton and the Sedins look superb out there, they gotta be a lock for next 3 on 3.
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Re: Canucks Special Teams

Postby Tiger » Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:24 pm

SKYO wrote:Hutton and the Sedins look superb out there, they gotta be a lock for next 3 on 3.


The only problem I have with that combo is the "need for speed".. if they lose the puck can they backcheck and get the puck back ? Hutton is a rookie and in the last couple games has made a few defensive mistakes. Edler is more used to the twins and not as likely to make mistakes ( yeah he does make mistakes but not as many )
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Re: Canucks Special Teams

Postby SKYO » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:11 pm

Sedins and Edler is a no go. :mrgreen:

As for the dreaded powerplay...

The Canucks top unit of Edler, Weber, Vrbata and the Twins all spent 8 minutes plus on the power play tonight.

The result? Zero goals. 0 for 6 on the night.


Time to switch it up Willie.
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Re: Canucks Special Teams

Postby Uncle dans leg » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:57 am

SKYO wrote:Sedins and Edler is a no go. :mrgreen:

As for the dreaded powerplay...

The Canucks top unit of Edler, Weber, Vrbata and the Twins all spent 8 minutes plus on the power play tonight.

The result? Zero goals. 0 for 6 on the night.


Time to switch it up Willie.

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Re: Canucks Special Teams

Postby Mr.Miyagi » Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:19 am

The Canucks had their most success on the PP when the twins were with Kesler up front and Edler and Salo were on the point.

The best we can do now, years later is put Weber and Vrbata in place of Kesler and Salo??? On repeat ... over and over again. This has been the undoing of the powerplay as we know it. Vrbata is too much of a perimeter player to make things happen in front of the net.I can remember the Canucks having some success plunking Kassian in frontm, but it was sporadic.

I would bring Burr back, on both the PP and the top line. The twins need the kind of player who isn't afraid to get their hands dirty. Burrows is about the only skill player we have that could do that, other than Virtanen, who we all know Willie won't be giving first unit PP time to.

Burrows - Sedin - Sedin
Edler - Weber

Virtanen - Horvat - McCann
Hamhuis - Hutton

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Re: Canucks Special Teams

Postby Island Nucklehead » Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:42 am

Sure seems like other teams have the Sedin PP figured out. Hank on the half-wall is not going to step in and shoot, no point in putting too much (any) pressure on him. Keep an eye out on the backdoor cutter and you've pretty much solved that first PP unit. Ditto when the puck goes down low to Daniel, although he does step out on occasion. Both are looking for some pristine passing play leading to a tap-in.

Hank should start stepping in and launching shots on goal. The Sedinery works when they can get defenders chasing a puck that has already been passed through/around them. Get some pucks at the net, gobble up a rebound or two and either you can catch the d-men out of position, force them the chase, or score on the rebound.
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Re: Canucks Special Teams

Postby Reefer2 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:17 am

I don't want WD to change anything.

Every game he gets us closer to a top 5 pick.

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Re: Canucks Special Teams

Postby vic » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:32 am

Meds wrote:
Rayxor wrote:Put the Sedins on separate units. Each with a fast skating shooter. Don't put your 2 best set-up men on the same line.


This has been tried. It fails epically. Henrik maintains his level of play but Dank disappears. They are both good playmakers, but Daniel's playmaking is more away from the puck, and transitioning the first pass, than with the puck. He's been the "tac or toe" in tic-tac-toe for too long.



Put Daniel out there with McCann who can also help start a play, but be a finisher at the same time.
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Re: Canucks Special Teams

Postby Topper » Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:06 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:Sure seems like other teams have the West Coast Express PP figured out. Naslund on the half-wall is not going to step in and shoot, no point in putting too much (any) pressure on him. Keep an eye out on the backdoor cutter and you've pretty much solved that first PP unit. Ditto when the puck goes down low to Brendan, although he does step out on occasion. Both are looking for some pristine passing play leading to a tap-in.

Marcus should start stepping in and launching shots on goal. The West Coast Express works when they can get defenders chasing a puck that has already been passed through/around them. Get some pucks at the net, gobble up a rebound or two and either you can catch the d-men out of position, force them the chase, or score on the rebound.

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Re: Canucks Special Teams

Postby the toucan kid » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:04 pm

Topper :lol: . Very good sir.

Our only skilled players are old and a step slower or young and a little too green. There's no jockeying fix here... this is just not a very talented club.

The twins will pot some PP points against bad teams over the course of the season and good ones too, if they get enough tries. Another 65-70 point season to add to their totals, which will see them both get to over 1000 career points soon enough.

I mention that because I suggest you all get used to enjoying those guys put a ribbon on their sterling careers (I spent most of their run complaining myself...) because other than watching some young kids, hopefully, start finding themselves... that's all the positive you're going to see the next little while.
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Re: Canucks Special Teams

Postby Island Nucklehead » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:43 pm

Topper wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote:Sure seems like other teams have the West Coast Express PP figured out. Naslund on the half-wall is not going to step in and shoot, no point in putting too much (any) pressure on him. Keep an eye out on the backdoor cutter and you've pretty much solved that first PP unit. Ditto when the puck goes down low to Brendan, although he does step out on occasion. Both are looking for some pristine passing play leading to a tap-in.

Marcus should start stepping in and launching shots on goal. The West Coast Express works when they can get defenders chasing a puck that has already been passed through/around them. Get some pucks at the net, gobble up a rebound or two and either you can catch the d-men out of position, force them the chase, or score on the rebound.

Doing the time warp (post Moore)


lol perhaps. It's pretty sad when post-Moore Naslund equals both Sedins. Naslund had 9 PPG's in each of his last two seasons in Vancouver. The Sedins have combined for 9 PPG's in each of the last two seasons.
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Re: Canucks Special Teams

Postby CrzyCanuck » Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:30 pm

Speaking of Naslund... we have been missing that wrist shot around the circle. The Sedins don't like to shoot from there and our one-timers are usually poorly executed


Maybe we can try to use McCann (or Virtanen, who has a harder and more accurate shot? My take is McCann) for the half-board position. He reads offence pretty well too so.

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Re: Canucks Special Teams

Postby Topper » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:56 pm

Markstrom recalled, the other guy dirty dogs it to Utica.

Miller needs a break.
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Re: Canucks Special Teams

Postby ESQ » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:08 am

Mr.Miyagi wrote:The Canucks had their most success on the PP when the twins were with Kesler up front and Edler and Salo were on the point.

The best we can do now, years later is put Weber and Vrbata in place of Kesler and Salo??? On repeat ... over and over again. This has been the undoing of the powerplay as we know it. Vrbata is too much of a perimeter player to make things happen in front of the net.I can remember the Canucks having some success plunking Kassian in frontm, but it was sporadic.

I would bring Burr back, on both the PP and the top line. The twins need the kind of player who isn't afraid to get their hands dirty. Burrows is about the only skill player we have that could do that, other than Virtanen, who we all know Willie won't be giving first unit PP time to.

The solution is sitting in Utica as we speak: Linden Vey.

Just look at the way he parks himself in the slot, ready for a one-timer from either side!

Seriously though, if Vey could figure it out, why can't anybody else on the Sedin PP get to that spot???
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