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Re: Jim Ignitowski Benning

Post by ESQ » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:48 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:36 pm
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whatever happens, one of Marky or Demko is going to be exposed.
Or one of them is traded to a team that then protects him.
I doubt it, the only team that would trade for a goalie before the draft would have to have nobody worth protecting in their system.

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Re: Jim Ignitowski Benning

Post by Strangelove » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:52 pm

ESQ wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:48 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:36 pm
ESQ wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:58 pm
whatever happens, one of Marky or Demko is going to be exposed.
Or one of them is traded to a team that then protects him.
I doubt it, the only team that would trade for a goalie before the draft would have to have nobody worth protecting in their system.
Some teams are/will-be there.

I'm talking about trading one of them in the summer of 2020.

(or if a team knocks your socks off with an offer at the draft this year)
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Re: Jim Ignitowski Benning

Post by Meds » Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:02 pm

micky107 wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:55 pm
Meds wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:51 pm
ESQ wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:55 am
Island Nucklehead wrote:
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Given his age, Seattle might not even want him. They might prefer who's available between Demko/Markstrom.
Hmm that's a good point. I feel like there will be better goalies available then Demko, but surely Edler will be one of the 6 best defensemen available.
Unless Demko tanks he will be among the best goaltenders 25 or younger. If he’s projecting in his current curve he will be one of the most desirable goaltenders available because he will be just hitting his 6 year window of prime as a goaltender.
Honestly, I think they loathe the thought of letting go either goalie but at the same time, equally shiver at the idea of trading a first round pick.
So, right now, what do they "know" is desperately needed.
A high end,top six, dependable, good skating, hard hitting, when needed, point producing, winger. Not over 25.
A legitimate top 4 defense man that is not over 26 and has a cannon shot and a great plus/minus.
It's a huge ask.
And Demko won't get you that now. He might get you that 2 TDD's from now just before the expansion draft.....however, if he is signed through 2022 at that point his value will be lower just like everyone's value because he will be an asset that will require protection.

He's RFA this year, if he signs a 2 year extension this summer I think he would still be RFA again in 2021.....if I recall RFA's can be claimed in the expansion draft and require protection. I could be wrong on that though.

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Re: Jim Ignitowski Benning

Post by Todd Bersnoozi » Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:05 pm

Meds wrote:
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The expansion draft for Seattle is 2 years away. Why would he take a one year deal and renegotiate again next year? Why would the team want to do that?

2 years with NMC or 4 years without.
Ah k. My bad, for some reason, I thought it was next year. A 2 year deal would be great then, renegotiate a new deal after that one is up.

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Re: Jim Ignitowski Benning

Post by Meds » Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:06 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:52 pm
ESQ wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:48 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:36 pm
ESQ wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:58 pm
whatever happens, one of Marky or Demko is going to be exposed.
Or one of them is traded to a team that then protects him.
I doubt it, the only team that would trade for a goalie before the draft would have to have nobody worth protecting in their system.
Some teams are/will-be there.

I'm talking about trading one of them in the summer of 2020.

(or if a team knocks your socks off with an offer at the draft this year)
It's rather unfortunate that Markstrom wasn't signed for one extra year. Would have given the organization some wiggle room.

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Re: Jim Ignitowski Benning

Post by Strangelove » Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:12 pm

Meds wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:06 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:52 pm
ESQ wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:48 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:36 pm
ESQ wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:58 pm
whatever happens, one of Marky or Demko is going to be exposed.
Or one of them is traded to a team that then protects him.
I doubt it, the only team that would trade for a goalie before the draft would have to have nobody worth protecting in their system.
Some teams are/will-be there.

I'm talking about trading one of them in the summer of 2020.

(or if a team knocks your socks off with an offer at the draft this year)
It's rather unfortunate that Markstrom wasn't signed for one extra year. Would have given the organization some wiggle room.
Well hopefully they're both established solid number-ones before the expansion draft.

No team can keep TWO solid number-ones.

If everything goes well we'll be trading one of them with or without the expansion draft.
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Re: Jim Ignitowski Benning

Post by Meds » Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:51 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:12 pm
Meds wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:06 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:52 pm
ESQ wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:48 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:36 pm
ESQ wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:58 pm
whatever happens, one of Marky or Demko is going to be exposed.
Or one of them is traded to a team that then protects him.
I doubt it, the only team that would trade for a goalie before the draft would have to have nobody worth protecting in their system.
Some teams are/will-be there.

I'm talking about trading one of them in the summer of 2020.

(or if a team knocks your socks off with an offer at the draft this year)
It's rather unfortunate that Markstrom wasn't signed for one extra year. Would have given the organization some wiggle room.
Well hopefully they're both established solid number-ones before the expansion draft.

No team can keep TWO solid number-ones.

If everything goes well we'll be trading one of them with or without the expansion draft.
Yeah. It would have been nice to have had the option to make the trade after the draft though so that the team acquiring him couldn't come back with an argument that they would have to burn the protection spot on whichever goaltender they are getting. But it is what it is after all.

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Re: Jim Ignitowski Benning

Post by 5thhorseman » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:18 am

Strangelove wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:36 pm
ESQ wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:58 pm
whatever happens, one of Marky or Demko is going to be exposed.
Or one of them is traded to a team that then protects him.
Sounds like a great idea, but Pittsburgh wasn't able to do that in the last expansion draft. What makes you think we won't be in the same boat?

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Re: Jim Ignitowski Benning

Post by micky107 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:10 am

5thhorseman wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:18 am
Strangelove wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:36 pm
ESQ wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:58 pm
whatever happens, one of Marky or Demko is going to be exposed.
Or one of them is traded to a team that then protects him.
Sounds like a great idea, but Pittsburgh wasn't able to do that in the last expansion draft. What makes you think we won't be in the same boat?
If the Starbucks end up taking one of our goalies, and, they're both flourishing, it's a hell of a way to kick-off the hatred for a rivalry.
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Re: Jim Ignitowski Benning

Post by SKYO » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:17 am

5thhorseman wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:18 am
Strangelove wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:36 pm
ESQ wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:58 pm
whatever happens, one of Marky or Demko is going to be exposed.
Or one of them is traded to a team that then protects him.
Sounds like a great idea, but Pittsburgh wasn't able to do that in the last expansion draft. What makes you think we won't be in the same boat?
Pens kept MAF for the Cup run & luckily they did as they won the Cup! Murray got injured 1st round, and MAF took over for awhile till Murray was able to play again. MAF the good bloke waived his NMC to move on after & he's been carrying vegas on his back this whole time.

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Tampa traded Bishop that same season due to cap restraints before he became a UFA, but they had been developing
Andrei Vasilevskiy during this time, so he was ready to take over.
February 26th, 2017:
The Tampa Bay Lightning traded goaltender Ben Bishop and a fifth-round pick in the 2017 NHL Draft to the Los Angeles Kings on Sunday for goaltender Peter Budaj, defenseman Erik Cernak, a seventh-round pick in 2017 and a conditional pick in this year's draft.

Bishop, a two-time Vezina Trophy finalist (2013, 2015), helped the Lightning reach the Stanley Cup Final in 2015 and is Tampa Bay's all-time leader in wins (131), shutouts (17), save percentage (.921) and goals-against average (2.28).
Bishop won all that & got a 5th, 7th rounder, conditional pick, vet backup & a superb dman prospect, mostly because it was just a rental.

So as you can see goalies don't fetch a whole lot, best time to trade Marky would be this offseason if you wanted MAX value, otherwise re-sign him for 3 years, expose him to Seattle.

A Marky/Demko combo would be good to roll with until Demko is ready for #1 duties, & when he's ready you can move Marky for a 2nd or 3rd.
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Re: Jim Ignitowski Benning

Post by Strangelove » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:35 pm

5thhorseman wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:18 am
Strangelove wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:36 pm
ESQ wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:58 pm
whatever happens, one of Marky or Demko is going to be exposed.
Or one of them is traded to a team that then protects him.
Sounds like a great idea, but Pittsburgh wasn't able to do that in the last expansion draft. What makes you think we won't be in the same boat?
We have a genius at the helm.
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Re: Jim Ignitowski Benning

Post by 5thhorseman » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:56 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:35 pm
5thhorseman wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:18 am
Strangelove wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:36 pm
ESQ wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:58 pm
whatever happens, one of Marky or Demko is going to be exposed.
Or one of them is traded to a team that then protects him.
Sounds like a great idea, but Pittsburgh wasn't able to do that in the last expansion draft. What makes you think we won't be in the same boat?
We have a genius at the helm.
Too predictable. SKYO's reply is much better :)

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Re: Jim Ignitowski Benning

Post by SKYO » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:59 pm

To the victor goes the spoils.

setting myself up there, but oh well.
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Re: Jim Ignitowski Benning

Post by Strangelove » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:00 pm

5thhorseman wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:56 pm
Too predictable. SKYO's reply is much better :)
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Re: Jim Ignitowski Benning

Post by 5thhorseman » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:09 pm

It's a pretty good indicator of the progress the team has made if we're debating between losing Markstrom, Demko, and Edler, instead of being happy that it's only Sbisa :D

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