2016 NHL ENTRY DRAFT

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Re: 2016 NHL ENTRY DRAFT

Post by SKYO » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:51 pm

Mondi wrote:That's WAY too much to give up for the difference between prospects. Don't you think?

Hansen alone should be worth a later first rounder at the TDL, and that 2nd rounder is going to be 30-35...You've also go Van taking on a boat anchor in Hartnell...I'd say 5th + Torts 2nd or Hansen should be enough to get 3+ Hartnell.

Given that 1040 needs to get the Canucks front of mind 24/7/365, they yammer on about trade talk, but historically these things are pretty unlikely to happen. I'd like to see Van the take the 5th pick and run.
Only thing is Hartnell is actually playing pretty decent in his old age, he's not a pure cap dump like Datsyuk or Bickell.

#5 + torts 2nd + grenier? aha, then we get puljujarvi to play with his fin bro granlund combo down the road. :thumbs:
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Re: 2016 NHL ENTRY DRAFT

Post by Mondi » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:57 pm

According to this guy --> http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sam- ... ock-draft/

We are getting Puljujarvi any way... #clickbait

But yes, Hartnell is playing okay, and he's a Benning type player AND if the goal really is the playoffs he could help.

I'm just not hopeful that Vancouver can deal into a better position, they aren't dealing from strength with the 5th pick when they want the 3rd. Remember how hopeful it was with the draft simulator, those were the days.

Hence, take the pick and run.

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Re: 2016 NHL ENTRY DRAFT

Post by Arachnid » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:21 pm

Mondi wrote:According to this guy --> http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sam- ... ock-draft/

We are getting Puljujarvi any way... #clickbait

But yes, Hartnell is playing okay, and he's a Benning type player AND if the goal really is the playoffs he could help.

I'm just not hopeful that Vancouver can deal into a better position, they aren't dealing from strength with the 5th pick when they want the 3rd. Remember how hopeful it was with the draft simulator, those were the days.

Hence, take the pick and run.
Hmmmmm if Montreal really values PLD and trades to ensure getting him ahead of us and Tkachukanucchuks value has ballooned from his Cup run...Puljujarvi could fall to us.....I is more than alrigh' wit dat dere scenario...

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Hey, he takes a shot, he gets one back. Seems fair. 8-)

More credence to the above....
The Edmonton Oilers, meanwhile, are believed to be wary of dealing the fourth-overall pick for a player they would then have to protect in the expansion draft. Their likeliest course of action is to draft London Knights winger Matthew Tkachuk, who will be exempt.
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Re: 2016 NHL ENTRY DRAFT

Post by SKYO » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:55 pm

Canucks trading for #3 is justice served.

We got jipped on the draft lotto, and CBJ gets their 2nd back as the compensatory rule was changed just soon after the Torts hiring.

All things being equal with their lack of cap space and our picks being so close, a deal should be made to appease hockey justice.
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Re: 2016 NHL ENTRY DRAFT

Post by Arachnid » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:04 pm

SKYO wrote:Canucks trading for #3 is justice served.

We got jipped on the draft lotto, and CBJ gets their 2nd back as the compensatory rule was changed just soon after the Torts hiring.

All things being equal with their lack of cap space and our picks being so close, a deal should be made to appease hockey justice.
You can't force hockey karma SYKO....what will be, will be and the Hockey Gods™ will pass judgment (and they are watching what you post, including your quasi-whacky alternative lifestyle-like trade ideas :P ).

Trade not needed if the energy being read right now means PLD is greatly coveted, as is Son of Keith, means we could get any of the 3,4 or 5 rated players...which is cool...stop being a Nervous Nancy@, Squirm'n Vermin™ or a Pessimistic Prick™ 8-)
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Re: 2016 NHL ENTRY DRAFT

Post by Hockey Widow » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:22 pm

Taking Hartnell back would not be the worst thing, if we can get Burrows and Higgins off the books. But if Columbus is willing to retain a portion that helps. Chicago set the bar as to what cap dumps cost this year. If we take Hartnell back we shouldn't be giving up too much else.

Problem for us is that he then needs to be protected unless he agrees to waive for the expansion draft. I think we get a good player at 5 so I wouldn't be making it too easy for Columbus. In my mind Hartnell plus the 3rd for our 5th plus a Grenier type should be enough. I know it stings for Columbus but they still stand to get a good pick plus a prospect but they get major cap relief and draft protection from all their NMC. That's worth something in today's market. They are only dropping two spots in the draft.

Then we see if we can get something, anything for Burrows and/or Higgins.

I would let the first four teams pick, if Dubois is still there than try a trade with Montreal and see if you can hit a home run.
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Post by Island Nucklehead » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:38 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Problem for us is that he then needs to be protected unless he agrees to waive for the expansion draft. I think we get a good player at 5 so I wouldn't be making it too easy for Columbus. In my mind Hartnell plus the 3rd for our 5th plus a Grenier type should be enough. I know it stings for Columbus but they still stand to get a good pick plus a prospect but they get major cap relief and draft protection from all their NMC. That's worth something in today's market. They are only dropping two spots in the draft.
Is Hartnell really as much of an albatross as Bickell? If he agrees to waive, wouldn't he be worth a 2nd round draft pick on his own? The guys averaging over 50 points/season over the past 3 years... 3rd OA+Hartnell for 5 OA+Grenier would be highway robbery. Really, it'd probably be something like 3rd+Hartnell for 5th+Hansen+2017 2nd.

3rd = 5th+Hansen
Hartnell= 2017 2nd

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Re: 2016 NHL ENTRY DRAFT

Post by Hockey Widow » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:48 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:Problem for us is that he then needs to be protected unless he agrees to waive for the expansion draft. I think we get a good player at 5 so I wouldn't be making it too easy for Columbus. In my mind Hartnell plus the 3rd for our 5th plus a Grenier type should be enough. I know it stings for Columbus but they still stand to get a good pick plus a prospect but they get major cap relief and draft protection from all their NMC. That's worth something in today's market. They are only dropping two spots in the draft.
Is Hartnell really as much of an albatross as Bickell? If he agrees to waive, wouldn't he be worth a 2nd round draft pick on his own? The guys averaging over 50 points/season over the past 3 years... 3rd OA+Hartnell for 5 OA+Grenier would be highway robbery. Really, it'd probably be something like 3rd+Hartnell for 5th+Hansen+2017 2nd.

3rd = 5th+Hansen
Hartnell= 2017 2nd
Yes IN it would be a steal of a deal for us. The question is how badly do Columbus need/want to move him? There may be other takers but none that can give them the 5OA pick. A pick that assures them of a great young talent, maybe even Dubois, that centre they want.


I'm not talking fair hockey trade here. I'm talking about giving Columbus desperately needed cap space and remove one NMC they would have to protect at the expense of say a Boone Jenner type. They desperately need to remove 2-3 NMC.

For them to ONLY drop back two spots and get a great young player that fills a positional need while reducing cap and a NMC would be a home run for them. Would I sweaten the pot, yes, but not by much. Because we can still draft 5OA and get a great young player that fills a position all need without taking on Hartnell and his NMC.

Just trading Hartnell in a dump, we'll look what Chicago paid to do that one.
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Re: 2016 NHL ENTRY DRAFT

Post by TDA Rum » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:53 pm

Hartnell has 3 years left on his contract at 4.75 million and is 34 yrs old, Columbus should be adding to sweeten the deal, not the Canucks...

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Re: 2016 NHL ENTRY DRAFT

Post by Hockey Widow » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:10 pm

TDA Rum wrote:Hartnell has 3 years left on his contract at 4.75 million and is 34 yrs old, Columbus should be adding to sweeten the deal, not the Canucks...

Exactly my point. They only have to drop down two spots to do it too.
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Re: 2016 NHL ENTRY DRAFT

Post by Hockey Widow » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:12 pm

Reports: Columbus will only trade the 3OA for a top six centre. Can we trade McCann again? :mrgreen:
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Post by Cornuck » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:13 pm

TDA Rum wrote:Hartnell has 3 years left on his contract at 4.75 million and is 34 yrs old, Columbus should be adding to sweeten the deal, not the Canucks...
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Post by Meds » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:26 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Reports: Columbus will only trade the 3OA for a top six centre. Can we trade McCann again? :mrgreen:
Well Benning thinks Sutter is top-6.....throw in Gaunce or Rodin.

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Post by Island Nucklehead » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:44 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:Problem for us is that he then needs to be protected unless he agrees to waive for the expansion draft. I think we get a good player at 5 so I wouldn't be making it too easy for Columbus. In my mind Hartnell plus the 3rd for our 5th plus a Grenier type should be enough. I know it stings for Columbus but they still stand to get a good pick plus a prospect but they get major cap relief and draft protection from all their NMC. That's worth something in today's market. They are only dropping two spots in the draft.
Is Hartnell really as much of an albatross as Bickell? If he agrees to waive, wouldn't he be worth a 2nd round draft pick on his own? The guys averaging over 50 points/season over the past 3 years... 3rd OA+Hartnell for 5 OA+Grenier would be highway robbery. Really, it'd probably be something like 3rd+Hartnell for 5th+Hansen+2017 2nd.

3rd = 5th+Hansen
Hartnell= 2017 2nd
Yes IN it would be a steal of a deal for us. The question is how badly do Columbus need/want to move him? There may be other takers but none that can give them the 5OA pick. A pick that assures them of a great young talent, maybe even Dubois, that centre they want.


I'm not talking fair hockey trade here. I'm talking about giving Columbus desperately needed cap space and remove one NMC they would have to protect at the expense of say a Boone Jenner type. They desperately need to remove 2-3 NMC.

For them to ONLY drop back two spots and get a great young player that fills a positional need while reducing cap and a NMC would be a home run for them. Would I sweaten the pot, yes, but not by much. Because we can still draft 5OA and get a great young player that fills a position all need without taking on Hartnell and his NMC.

Just trading Hartnell in a dump, we'll look what Chicago paid to do that one.
Yeah, Hartnell's not that much of a dump. He's a useful player that (thus far) earns his money. He's not a Burrows or Bickell. Dubinksy, Clarkson, and Tyutin would all be dumped first. If they're trading down it'll be to get themselves out of one of their bad contracts. Hartnell isn't a bad contract, he'd just be the easiest to move for a decent return.

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Re: 2016 NHL ENTRY DRAFT

Post by Reefer2 » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:48 pm

I am throwing this out there because you just cant get enough of :mex:

1 of our D to Edmonton for the their 4th overall.

They need D more than anything else and no one is playing nice with them.

Then we draft both 4th and 5th.

Then Benning is a god.

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