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He needs more than baby steps this season. The kids in Utica will run him over if he doesn't take strides to improve his consistency.
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ukcanuck wrote:what's a thought??

Is that how Elmer Fudd says shot?

A thought in urban slang means a hoe/slut etc. 8-)
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ukcanuck wrote: In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]
I respect your reply UK. That's a good definition. Ppl know where I stand on the issue and ppl can decide for themselves.

edit: you should consider that when the corner was short a mod, Strange was asked to step up...hardly something a troll would be asked, don't you thought?
Good for him. Maybe he was a clean poster b4 and something happened to him, I dunno. I don't doubt he's a smart guy, but when he acts like a jerk, I feel like I gotta do something sometimes. If he were a mod and he acted the way he does now, it wouldn't be pretty. It'd be a dictatorship with Chairman Strange @ the helm. :lol:

Mëds wrote:Is it just me, or do most of the points that Todd tries to make just come across as pointless? :eh:
Yeah, seems like it was a complete waste of time for me to try to reason with ya. Whatever, moving on.

Blob Mckenzie wrote:Bersnoozi you lose all credibility when you can't call Betamax a troll .
U think I care about credibility? :lol:

Or how about someone saying Balltard in every other thread for years on end . Is that not a form of trolling ?
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herb wrote: I'm expecting something like 20g/20a. 40 points on the low end and 50 points on the high end.
Yeah, I think that should be a realistic goal for Kassassian. I was happy with his play last season and thought Torts held him back a bit last season. Hopefully he'll take another step forward this year. :)

Hockey Widow wrote:Hell both he and Bonino like to pass, we could see Burrows with 50 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: jk, jk, jk
I wonder if Jensen might be a good fit on that line. He has a pretty good shot and seems to like to use it. :D
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Mëds wrote: Lucic is a beast. He's a poor man's version of Neely. Goes to the net, protects the puck with his body, throws big hits. But Lucic isn't the best distributor of the puck, he plays a bit more of a head-down game, and he'll never beat anyone with speed or finesse.

Kassian has size, not quite in Lucic's weight class, but he has much better hands, a better sense of the ice, he's probably our 3rd best passing forward behind Hank and Dank, and he's got better wheels than Lucic. Kas might not be able to just bull through any and every defender in his path the way Lucic can, but I think he has more upside. If Kassian fully develops, with his skill set and size, he could become a 70 point power forward.
Sure. And Shinkaruk could be the next Patrick Kane, Horvat the next Bergeron and Demko could be a Vezina goalie. All possible outcomes. Kassian has shown flashes of brilliance and stretches of indifference. It's probably not a question of development with him (he's already quite talented, as you point out), but a question of consistent effort. That's likely between the ears, and is the primary why he's unlikely to hit the lofty goals (top-20 scorer in the NHL) you're setting for him.
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For sure, the issue with Kassian is for consistent focus, consistent effort, and motivation. Although, the fact that you are playing in the show in front of 18,000 should be motivation enough. I think he needs to make more than a baby step this year, and based on his end of season play, is easily able to do so.
The game is 90% mental, and speaking of mental, he, along with most of the rest, played under Tortorella last year.
Now that's mental.
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I see Island Nuck is gonna keep that rope might slack on Kassian this year.

It's time for Zack to take the next step, he's a fucking vet now, pretty much. If he doesn't improve on his inconsistency this year he most likely never will.
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RoyalDude wrote:I see Island Nuck is gonna keep that rope might slack on Kassian this year.

It's time for Zack to take the next step, he's a fucking vet now, pretty much. If he doesn't improve on his inconsistency this year he most likely never will.
I totally agree. I really like Kassian's game when he is going. The coasting is inexcusable though. He is not good enough to take shifts off and still be dangerous. I honestly believe he has not had a coach that understands his persona. I mean in the Media he does not seem like a prima dona. I believe/hope Willie will get Zack's head screwed on straight.

I look at it this way. He has one hell of an opportunity to make his mark on an NHL franchise. But will he?
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RoyalDude wrote:I see Island Nuck is gonna keep that rope might slack on Kassian this year.

It's time for Zack to take the next step, he's a fucking vet now, pretty much. If he doesn't improve on his inconsistency this year he most likely never will.
Not that is says much, but I do believe he was more productive in the second half of the season then anyone else on the roster. I think he's earned his top six time, it's just a question of whether he can consistently do anything with it.

This would be his year to put it all together.
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Joacim Eriksson sent to Utica...guess Cannata goes to the ECHL or can Utica carry three goalies?

hmm seen this. http://www.uticacomets.com/constructing-an-ahl-roster/
There is no roster limit in the AHL. While the NHL is limited to a 23-man active roster (plus any players placed on injured reserve), there is nothing that prohibits an AHL team from carrying 35 players (except the financial ability to pay all of them). There is no such thing as injured reserve in the AHL, so if a team has a player with a season ending injury, he will simply sit idle on your roster for the remainder of the season.

That being said, there IS a limit that a team can only dress 18 skaters and two goalies in each game, so it doesn’t make practical sense to carry much more than 23 healthy bodies on a roster.

A Veteran Exempt is any player that has played 261-320 professional games in the AHL, NHL or any of the elite leagues in Europe (note that ECHL games do not count against this number).

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Veteran rules have no effect on goaltenders.
And then there's the loans
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RoyalDude wrote:If Kassian doesn't take a step this year, he never will. He's had plenty of time to get his house in order. The kid gloves are off. The tools are there but the toolbox may not be. We will soon see.
Kid gloves are off? Any other coach last year & he would have been top 6 and a regular on the PP. It's not saying much, considering the season was a total gongshow, but he was one of our top forwards in the 2nd half. One might say that's quite a step because he was consistent. He certainly earned promotion to the 2nd line for this year.
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BurningBeard wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:I see Island Nuck is gonna keep that rope might slack on Kassian this year.

It's time for Zack to take the next step, he's a fucking vet now, pretty much. If he doesn't improve on his inconsistency this year he most likely never will.
Not that is says much, but I do believe he was more productive in the second half of the season then anyone else on the roster. I think he's earned his top six time, it's just a question of whether he can consistently do anything with it.

This would be his year to put it all together.
Exactly. He still has to prove he can do it over a full season...but the haters will hate. All this negativity towards the kid is unwarranted. A vet? Not quite. He's only 2 seasons removed from being a rookie. Understandable why players like this drive some coaches nuts but Torts wasn't fair to him based on his improved play. At some point that has to be rewarded. Hopefully Willy is the right fit to bring him to another level.
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Todd Bersnoozi wrote:
ukcanuck wrote: edit: you should consider that when the corner was short a mod, Strange was asked to step up...hardly something a troll would be asked, don't you thought?
Good for him. Maybe he was a clean poster b4 and something happened to him, I dunno. I don't doubt he's a smart guy, but when he acts like a jerk, I feel like I gotta do something sometimes. If he were a mod and he acted the way he does now, it wouldn't be pretty. It'd be a dictatorship with Chairman Strange @ the helm. :lol:
For the record, I am and have been a mod for 3 months now.

As a matter of fact, twas I who took it upon himself to ban your good pal Betamax.

How "pretty" is that! :thumbs:

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Blob Mckenzie wrote: Bersnoozi you lose all credibility when you can't call Betamax a troll .
U think I care about credibility? :lol:
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Okay, stop your goddamned fucking trolling and get back on topic before I lose my FUCKING temper!!

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ClamRussel wrote:
BurningBeard wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:I see Island Nuck is gonna keep that rope might slack on Kassian this year.

It's time for Zack to take the next step, he's a fucking vet now, pretty much. If he doesn't improve on his inconsistency this year he most likely never will.
Not that is says much, but I do believe he was more productive in the second half of the season then anyone else on the roster. I think he's earned his top six time, it's just a question of whether he can consistently do anything with it.

This would be his year to put it all together.
Exactly. He still has to prove he can do it over a full season...but the haters will hate. All this negativity towards the kid is unwarranted. A vet? Not quite. He's only 2 seasons removed from being a rookie. Understandable why players like this drive some coaches nuts but Torts wasn't fair to him based on his improved play. At some point that has to be rewarded. Hopefully Willy is the right fit to bring him to another level.
Summed up my thoughts completely.

I think this "negativity" stems from the fact Kassian has not done much this preseason.

I think folks are overlooking the fact he has been struggling with an undisclosed injury.

Truth is, in our last 30-40 REAL NHL games, Kassian has been perhaps our best forward.

The bedwetters should find another whipping boy IMMO (In My Mod Opinion). :evil: :twisted: :evil:
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So how is Cal O'Reilly still w/ the big club, has he been that good? Interesting that he & Jensen are listed on the roster but Shinkaruk & Horvat aren't. They've updated it by removing Eriksson. I must admit I don't know much abo O'Reilly, other than he played well in Utica last yr and has had a few cups of java in the show.
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