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Re: The Official CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

Postby BigTuna » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:52 am

Strangelove wrote:
BigTuna wrote:My favourite part when I clicked on your link:

Updated: The section "What about LTIR?" Has been updated on July 11, 2017

Mirtle made everyone his bitch. No one even bothered to ask except him.


Everyone in the media (including Mirtle) has always said LTIR can't be used in the off-season.

The other day he wrote an article stating otherwise and Louie the Lam backed him up.

This all inspired Capfriendly to post that update... just after I provided the link. :hmmm:

I guess it's likely that Mirtle/Lou are correct, but there are still reasons why it is almost never done.

I guess the Leaves can put Horton/Lupul on LTIR and sign Brown right away

... but that doesn't mean it would be the prudent thing to do.

It's complicated, but to be able to use ALL the capspace LTIRing Horton/Lupul could provide

... Leaves, at the very least, need to trade away a lot of salary before opening day.

In fact it would be idiotic not to trade away a lot of salary.

Which brings us back to our little debate at hand.

You were saying we should expect the Leaves to keep all their players going into next season.

But even the Leaves aren't stupid enough to do such a thing.

So a miracle happened - understanding of LTIR was turned upside down - but you still lost the debate. :mrgreen:

It's interesting that the Leaves are going all in for the next two seasons.

The "Shanaplan" you swore allegiance to is clearly out the window.

Leaves will have overage-bonuses for 2018-19 for sure now, as well as relying on old men to make a difference.

And yes Virginia you're still a schmuck for paying to read Mirtle.


AND everything you said in this post is wrong. Brown is signed (What a steal, 2.1 million per!) and they will be trading no one and still have cap space.

Leafs again are the smartest guy in the room.

And BTW, the forward depth on the Leafs is crazy: Matthews/Marner/Nylander/JVR/Kadri/Marleau/Brown/Bozak.
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Re: The Official CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

Postby Strangelove » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:23 pm

BigTuna wrote:
Strangelove wrote:before opening day.


AND everything you said in this post is wrong.


:roll:

No matter how many times I explain it to you, You. Just. Don't. Get. It.

Marchenko defected, that helped... a little.

But they are still over the the cap by $6.7M.

(all one-way contracts count in the off-season, read: Greening, LoVerde, Mueller)

If they are over the cap by more than $5.3M on the last day of camp

... they will have to use all of both Horton's and Lupul's LTIR room.

And that would be idiotic.

There's more, but I feel I'm wasting my time on you...
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Re: The Official CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

Postby Strangelove » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:26 pm

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micky107 wrote:https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2017/8/29/16222628/mlse-maple-leafs-owners-sctoiabank-deal-ok-because-no-one-likes-air-canada

800 million. :bounce: That's 300 million more then a franchise costs.


Such a successful franchise.


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Re: The Official CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

Postby BigTuna » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:06 am

Strangelove wrote:
BigTuna wrote:
Strangelove wrote:before opening day.


AND everything you said in this post is wrong.


:roll:

No matter how many times I explain it to you, You. Just. Don't. Get. It.

Marchenko defected, that helped... a little.

But they are still over the the cap by $6.7M.

(all one-way contracts count in the off-season, read: Greening, LoVerde, Mueller)

If they are over the cap by more than $5.3M on the last day of camp

... they will have to use all of both Horton's and Lupul's LTIR room.

And that would be idiotic.

There's more, but I feel I'm wasting my time on you...


You predicted they would have to trade guys to fit under the cap. But I am not getting it? Where have these trades been? And will they be coming soon?
You also said Brown can't be resigned.
Stay away from predictions involving the Leafs. They will clearly use LTIR and there is nothing wrong or unusual about it. Teams like Arizona have been using it to cheat the cap and save $.
And to correct yet ANOTHER thing you said is wrong, you're trying to spin it as some lucky break Marchenko signed in the KHL. He did so because the Leafs placed him on waivers because they signed better players and he wouldn't crack their roster.
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Re: The Official CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

Postby BigTuna » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:16 am

Strangelove wrote:
BigTuna wrote:
micky107 wrote:https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2017/8/29/16222628/mlse-maple-leafs-owners-sctoiabank-deal-ok-because-no-one-likes-air-canada

800 million. :bounce: That's 300 million more then a franchise costs.


Such a successful franchise.


Thanks to all the chumps at the centre of the universe...


You mean the chumps who watched both organizations that use the building make the playoffs?
How are the Grizzlies doing?
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Re: The Official CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

Postby mr perfect » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:18 am

The grizzlies? They're doing great here in B.C. They kill and eat the tourists from southern Ontario who get near them to take selfies and try to tell the bears how wonderful a city TO is. Great for population control.
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Re: The Official CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

Postby Strangelove » Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:53 pm

BigTuna wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
BigTuna wrote:
Strangelove wrote:before opening day.


AND everything you said in this post is wrong.


:roll:

No matter how many times I explain it to you, You. Just. Don't. Get. It.

Marchenko defected, that helped... a little.

But they are still over the the cap by $6.7M.

(all one-way contracts count in the off-season, read: Greening, LoVerde, Mueller)

If they are over the cap by more than $5.3M on the last day of camp

... they will have to use all of both Horton's and Lupul's LTIR room.

And that would be idiotic.

There's more, but I feel I'm wasting my time on you...


You predicted they would have to trade guys to fit under the cap. But I am not getting it? Where have these trades been? And will they be coming soon?
You also said Brown can't be resigned.



What part of before opening day do you not understand

... what other parts of the this did you not understand:

I guess the Leaves can put Horton/Lupul on LTIR and sign Brown right away

... but that doesn't mean it would be the prudent thing to do.

It's complicated, but to be able to use ALL the capspace LTIRing Horton/Lupul could provide

... Leaves, at the very least, need to trade away a lot of salary before opening day.

In fact it would be idiotic not to trade away a lot of salary.


Are you stupid Forest?

BigTuna wrote:They will clearly use LTIR and there is nothing wrong or unusual about it.


I dunno about "wrong" or "unusual" but how 'bout S T U P I D.

See there are smart ways and stupid ways to use LTIR.

But of course this is something you will never comprehend...

BigTuna wrote:And to correct yet ANOTHER thing you said is wrong, you're trying to spin it as some lucky break Marchenko signed in the KHL. He did so because the Leafs placed him on waivers because they signed better players and he wouldn't crack their roster.


Yes because every one-way-contract player placed on waivers immediately signs in the KHL ! :lol:
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Re: The Official CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

Postby BigTuna » Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:53 pm

Strangelove wrote:
BigTuna wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
BigTuna wrote:
Strangelove wrote:before opening day.


AND everything you said in this post is wrong.


:roll:

No matter how many times I explain it to you, You. Just. Don't. Get. It.

Marchenko defected, that helped... a little.

But they are still over the the cap by $6.7M.

(all one-way contracts count in the off-season, read: Greening, LoVerde, Mueller)

If they are over the cap by more than $5.3M on the last day of camp

... they will have to use all of both Horton's and Lupul's LTIR room.

And that would be idiotic.

There's more, but I feel I'm wasting my time on you...


You predicted they would have to trade guys to fit under the cap. But I am not getting it? Where have these trades been? And will they be coming soon?
You also said Brown can't be resigned.



What part of before opening day do you not understand

... what other parts of the this did you not understand:

I guess the Leaves can put Horton/Lupul on LTIR and sign Brown right away

... but that doesn't mean it would be the prudent thing to do.

It's complicated, but to be able to use ALL the capspace LTIRing Horton/Lupul could provide

... Leaves, at the very least, need to trade away a lot of salary before opening day.

In fact it would be idiotic not to trade away a lot of salary.


Are you stupid Forest?

BigTuna wrote:They will clearly use LTIR and there is nothing wrong or unusual about it.


I dunno about "wrong" or "unusual" but how 'bout S T U P I D.

See there are smart ways and stupid ways to use LTIR.

But of course this is something you will never comprehend...

BigTuna wrote:And to correct yet ANOTHER thing you said is wrong, you're trying to spin it as some lucky break Marchenko signed in the KHL. He did so because the Leafs placed him on waivers because they signed better players and he wouldn't crack their roster.


Yes because every one-way-contract player placed on waivers immediately signs in the KHL ! :lol:


So give me predictions. Who gets traded before opening day?
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Re: The Official CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

Postby Strangelove » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:22 pm

Strangelove wrote:
https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/778961041707315200

Kadri on Lupul: "I think he's ready to go and I think he's excited about the season."

@mirtle 7:15 AM - 22 Sep 2016 (EDT)


Statement From Joffrey Lupul

“IT’S WITH DEEP REGRET THAT I WILL BE UNABLE TO ATTEND TRAINING CAMP AND START THE SEASON WITH THE LEAFS DUE TO INJURY. I PLEDGE TO WORK HARD WITH A VIEW TO RETURN TO PLAYING THIS SEASON. HOCKEY IS THE ONLY LIFE I HAVE KNOWN. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY EMOTIONAL TIME FOR ME. ACCORDINGLY, I WILL NOT BE MAKING ANY FURTHER COMMENT AT THIS TIME.”

@mirtle - 8:19 AM - 22 Sep 2016 (EDT)


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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/joff ... ays-cheat/

September 17, 2017, 8:59 PM (EDT)

Joffrey Lupul called out the Toronto Maple Leafs for their treatment of the winger on Sunday, saying the team cheats with the way it uses long-term injured reserve.

When someone pointed out his failed physical, he responded: “Haha failed physical? They cheat, everyone lets them.”


https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/14/l ... physicals/

SEPTEMBER 14, 2017, 12:23 PM (EDT)

no surprise that both Nathan Horton and Joffrey Lupul failed their physicals, so they won’t make the team this year.

As for Lupul, it’s more surprising that the Leafs have gotten away with it for the second year in a row, considering his social media has seen him managing his injuries just fine. It seems like the Leafs won’t get in trouble for it though...


And two days ago:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jare ... e-process/

September 15, 2017, 9:43 PM (EDT)

Jared Cowen is not happy with how he was treated by the Toronto Maple Leafs.

“I wish teams would have more of an interest in taking better care of their players instead of whatever their goal or mindset was there,” Cowen said in an interview with Adrian Dater of BSN Denver.com. “Basically, they got me, figured out that I was hurt, they didn’t want to deal with it and they got rid of me.”


Over the last coupla years other TO players have been mistreated in various ways including:

Robidas* Holland Corrado Leivo Michalek Laich Kessel Phaneuf Greening...

But we should not be surprised considering the GM's past history of gross misconduct;

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl-team-wrongfully-w ... e-1.636989

:scowl:

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Re: The Official CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

Postby Hockey Widow » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:11 pm

The NHL won't even blink. Some teams are allowed to cheat. Some players are allowed to cheat. But hey it's all within the rules and unless Bettman wants to call someone out for using the rules,to circumvent the cap, well nothing gets done. But we get the Luongo rule. Even though Gillis acted perfectly within the rules.

Trading injured players for cap space or for getting to the cap floor is cheating buts it's allowed.

Why the PA isn't doing something I don't know.
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Re: The Official CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

Postby Island Nucklehead » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:42 am

Hockey Widow wrote:The NHL won't even blink. Some teams are allowed to cheat. Some players are allowed to cheat. But hey it's all within the rules and unless Bettman wants to call someone out for using the rules,to circumvent the cap, well nothing gets done. But we get the Luongo rule. Even though Gillis acted perfectly within the rules.

Trading injured players for cap space or for getting to the cap floor is cheating buts it's allowed.

Why the PA isn't doing something I don't know.


The Canucks did this for several years under Gillis/Gilman, and it was brilliantly effective.

The PA won't do anything about it because Lupul still gets paid, while the Leafs can go over the salary cap to pay another union member NHL dollars. The Union should be all in favour of cap circumvention.

You're not likley to see much whining or complaining from the owners until the Leafs really get an advantage from this. Kind of like how the Luongo rule became an issue when top-teams were leveraging it to widen their competitive advantage (Chicago, Vancouver, Detroit etc.).

Lupul and Cowen bitching about their situations speaks volumes about their loyalty to the club and Toronto's treatment of their players. I don't think you'd ever hear Salo or Bieksa talk that way if they had to undergo extra rehab so the team could stay ahead of the cap.
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Re: The Official CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

Postby Hockey Widow » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:05 pm

^^^^^

True about Salo and Bieksa but they never had their careers ended because of it. Maholtra was none to happy with his treatment and spoke out but he got another chance to play elsewhere.

When a team fucks around like this it ends careers. That's what the PA should be arguing about. Force teams to waive or buyout a player so they have a chance to play elsewhere.

Maybe the league should step in and Pronger them all so they can work :mrgreen:
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Re: The Official CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

Postby SKYO » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:05 pm

Yeah Lupul calling out the Leafs publicly could force the leagues' hand to investigate this situation.
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Re: The Official CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

Postby BigTuna » Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:53 pm

SKYO wrote:Yeah Lupul calling out the Leafs publicly could force the leagues' hand to investigate this situation.

He actually called out the league publicly.
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Re: The Official CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:12 pm

Why in the hell don't the Canucks find a couple injuries to permanently put Sutter and Louis on the shelf and save themselves 10 million + annually in cap space that they could use for good players ?
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