SKYO wrote:I'd trade Hansen & a depth player to Tampa for Filppula + a top prospect
Hansen and a depth player won't even land you Filppula by himself, let alone him and
a prospect like Erne.
You also pointed out that Filppula has a NMC. Why the hell would he waive that to leave a clear cut contender to come to a clear cut bottom 3 team? I can see him agreeing to that kind of deal AFTER Tampa's season is over.
As for Kucherov's $7M, they will find that when they trade Bishop.
Your line-up also puts him on Sutter's RW. Why would you waste a proven playmaking centre on the wing when a non-puck-distributing guy like Sutter has shown that he can adapt to play there?
More importantly, why on earth do we trade for a guy who is going to be 33 turning 34 in the final year of his contract? Are we intentionally taking on $5M in cap space next year just so we can score a prospect like Erne? Next year is the year the Bo is going to be getting a raise. Gudbranson, Tryamkin, and Hutton, will also need new deals. Burrows expiring contract won't make room for all of them.
ah finally a contender to the CC trade champ
The #1 issue in all of this is DOLLARS and CAP SPACE, mainly Tampa is running out, they are building a dam and it's about to burst if they don't start pulling a chicago blackhawks asap, the hawks have had to add to get rid of contracts
, Florida added Crouse to get rid of Bolland's contract
, it's becoming normal to do in this cap era.
TBL has $6,272,499 in projected cap space to re-sign rising superstar Kucherov and Nesterov, while trying to open up cap space to re-sign the next uberstar Drouin, high scoring #2C Johnson and Palat for next season, not only that they need money to patch up their deteriorating defense.
Plus you are overvaluing Flip, he could be had for a pick if someone were to take him off their hands, but not many teams are willing to do that.
Upon further looking into Filppula's NMC he also has a MODIFIED NTC, the NMC protects him from waivers and being loaned without his consent, but the mod' ntc gives the team some options to trade him.
Plus I bet Bishop isn't going anywhere as TBL does not want another high priced goalie in return.
Sutter/Flip can swap for all I care.
Joe Smith speculates Kucherov is due a significant raise potentially as high as $6 million per season. Killorn’s new contract will also affect efforts to re-sign RFAs Tyler Johnson, Jonathan Drouin and Ondrej Palat next summer.
To get under the cap this summer, GM Steve Yzerman said he’ll likely have to make a trade this summer. Smith suggests center Valtteri Filppula ($5 million cap hit), defenseman Jason Garrison ($4.6 million cap hit) and goaltender Ben Bishop ($5.9 million cap hit, also an unrestricted free agent next summer) as possible trade candidates. Regarding his goalie situation, Yzerman said things are quiet right now, adding his club is more than happy to start next season with Bishop and Andrei Vasilevskiy.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Of the three, Filppula could be the easiest to move, as he has a partial no-trade clause, while Garrison has a full no-trade clause and Bishop a full no-movement. Garrison, however, did waive his clause to go from Vancouver to Tampa Bay, but will he be willing to do so again? While Bishop is a Vezina Trophy finalist, there’s not much of a market for him right now. The Dallas Stars were rumored to be interested, but they have to shed either Kari Lehtonen or Antti Niemi and that won’t be easy because of their contracts. Perhap a Bishop trade takes place during training camp and preseason, when the market could improve as clubs assess their goaltending.
Article 2 on why TBL will try to trade filppula:
https://twoforspearing.com/2016/08/05/l ... la-trades/
With all of the re-signings this summer, and once the team and winger Nikita Kucherov agree to a deal, General Manager Steve Yzerman will have to make a move to move in an effort to create cap space.
As of right now with Kucherov and defenseman Nikita Nesterov both still unsigned restricted free agents, the Lightning has right around $6.5 million in cap space to work with. Yzerman has said a number of times that he wants to retain both Kucherov and Nesterov. Assuming Kucherov will receive a deal of around the $6 million per year mark, that would leave roughly half a million dollars for D Nikita Nesterov. Nesterov’s worth is probably somewhere around the $750,000 per year range. Putting two and two together this would mean that if Yzerman wants to keep both Kucherov and Nesterov, as well as planning for the contracts of future free agents, a move will have to be made.
If you talk to Lightning fans, whether it be on Twitter, Facebook, or anywhere else, most people agree that the smart thing to do is to trade center Valtteri Filppula. The now 32-year-old center signed a 5 year, $25 million contract in July of 2013, carrying a $5 million cap hit in each year of his contract.
In his first year with the Lightning, Filppula was impressive. In 75 games, Filppula had 25 goals and 33 assists. In his second year, Filppula’s point total went down from 58 in the previous year, to 48 with 12 goals and 36 assists, even with a full 82 games played. This past year, Filppula’s production went down drastically where he netted just 8 goals, and recorded 23 assists in 75 games.
Yes, Filppula is a good defensive forward, he has been a regular on the penalty kill for the Lightning, and he does his share of good things that go unnoticed, but it is his $5 million cap hit that is the problem. Especially with the re-signing of center Vladislav Namestnikov, whom Yzerman said they see in a center role and will begin to receive a larger role, as well as the upcoming free agency of Tyler Johnson, Ondrej Palat, Jonathan Drouin, Brian Boyle, Andrej Sustr, Slater Koekkoek, and the big unknown, Ben Bishop, it is easy to see why Filppula is the prime candidate to be traded by Yzerman.
http://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2016/07/ ... -part.html
Enter Filppula, who at 32 can still produce and plays a solid two-way game. A contender with ample space or a young team in need of some veteran leadership and defensive stability up front could both use his services, unless the $5MM price tag is too much for them. He presents the Lightning’s best chance at relieving their cap troubles without significantly effecting the team, but they must first convince someone that the price for Filppula is worth it, as trading him and holding on to contract dollars makes no sense. Filppula will continue to hear his name batted around the rumor mill, and if a team falls in love with him like Tampa Bay did, he could be on his way elsewhere for 2016-17.
The more you read about their situation, the more it appears they'd be more inclined to see if anyone would trade a pick or for filppula, so JB would have to be cagey in this approach and get a 3way deal with Hansen dealt for a pick swapped to TBL for flip + prospect.
As for contract worries, Horvat, Hutton and Tryamkin should probably get bridge deals and guds will probably get a 6 year contract around 4.5m - 5m per.
We can fit those in no problem next season with miller/burrows gone.
Plus flips contract expires in two years well before any other young gun needs big money, his skillset would be invaluable as a setup guy on the 2nd line, as you said Sutter doesn't have those passing abilities, so it only makes sense to have a player like filppula on his line, and remember how shitty this team was when hank and sutter were hurt or injured, flip would be that extra insurance for the next couple years while the Sedins are still here and we trying to win one before they sing their NHL swan song.
Their defense after Hedman is pretty meh, they probably want to keep what vets they have for now on D, they'd probably be interested in young dman like Brisebois.
Killorn Stamkos Drouin
Palat Johnson Kucherov
Hansen Namestnikov Callahan
Brown Boyle Condra
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