If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would ya?

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If trading Horvat + 6th pick was the only way to acquire the 2014 1st pick, would ya do it?

Poll ended at Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:43 am

YES! YES! YES!
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18%
NO means NO.
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76%
Other (Please explain in post)
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Total votes : 49

Re: If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would

Postby Betamax » Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:38 am

Island Nucklehead wrote:I'm thinking this thread has run it's course. 75% is saying FUCK NO to that trade is a pretty sizable majority of us that want nothing to do with Horvat+6th for 1st overall.


If you think so, then you are also welcome to abstain from further participation. As long as the the Canucks are still in the mix to move up for the pick, this thread is relevant.

As for the Poll results itself, given the number of alleged socks that were running around on the forum before the sock hunter terminated them, I think I would take the results with a grain of salt.

In all honesty, I would be giddy like a weight challenged adolescent kid at an AYCE buffet restaurant if Linden's Army goes "All IN" and offers your prized Bo + the 6th on a platter for the 1st overall pick and it gets accepted by Tallon:

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Not for the fact that I want to see Bo go since I rate him highly, but to read the reaction from the fans that are too emotionally invested vis-a-vis unproven prospects. Now, if you were family or personal friends of said individual, I could understand that, but I take it you're just a fan overvaluing one of "your own." :mex:
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Re: If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would

Postby Island Nucklehead » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:36 am

Betamax wrote:As for the Poll results itself, given the number of alleged socks that were running around on the forum before the sock hunter terminated them, I think I would take the results with a grain of salt.


Oh, I already do: I'm guessing 7 of the votes in favour came from your various personalities.

Not for the fact that I want to see Bo go since I rate him highly, but to read the reaction from the fans :mex:


No, you don't rate him highly. Your raging boner for the ginger proves it.

And it's pretty sad that you're in favour of the Canucks making a poor trade just to watch other fans suffer. Congrats, you're the Asshole of the Month. :thumbs:
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Re: If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would

Postby Betamax » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:30 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
Betamax wrote:As for the Poll results itself, given the number of alleged socks that were running around on the forum before the sock hunter terminated them, I think I would take the results with a grain of salt.


Oh, I already do: I'm guessing 7 of the votes in favour came from your various personalities.


duh, you're wrong again. Nothing new.

No, you don't rate him highly. Your raging boner for the ginger proves it.


Let's see, The Cory was the reigning Team MVP, in his prime of his career, beat out the former franchise goalie who had a "lifetime contract" for the starting goalie job (the most important position in hockey) and he gets traded for just one asset back -- an unproven but decent prospect that isn't "can't miss."

I say that's looking at things in a rational manner. 8-)


And it's pretty sad that you're in favour of the Canucks making a poor trade just to watch other fans suffer. Congrats, you're the Asshole of the Month. :thumbs:


How do you know it will end up being a "poor" trade if those are the pieces that get the deal done? I posed the question to an independent prospect expert, Corey Pronman, and he stated he thought that was a "reasonable" offer for the pick. Not excessive and he did mention that the Panthers might want even a "little bit bit more." :mex:

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Betamax wrote:Okay, I asked THE question of how reasonable an offer a Horvat + 6th for the 2014 1st overall pick is to an independent third party that gets paid to analyze the top prospects ....

Corey Pronman @coreypronman

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NHL writer for ESPN. I write about prospects and stuff. I'm also sarcastic. cpronman [at] gmail. Views expressed are the correct ones. I don't do player comps.


via: https://twitter.com/coreypronman/status ... 3511962625

Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman

Yes, but as FLA I'd want little more. RT @Betamax1080p: @coreypronman 6th overall + Horvat a reasonable offer for 1st overall pick?

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Interesting that. :mex:
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Re: If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would

Postby Strangelove » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:18 pm

Betamax wrote:Let's see, The Cory was the reigning Team MVP, in his prime of his career, beat out the former franchise goalie who had a "lifetime contract" for the starting goalie job (the most important position in hockey) and he gets traded for just one asset back -- an unproven but decent prospect that isn't "can't miss."


Oh ffs, even Eddie Suckage Lack beat out the Living Legend for the starting goalie job! :lol:

Face it, you have an irrational love for Panic Attack, McGuire, Myers, Reinhart, etc...
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Re: If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would

Postby Betamax » Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:06 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Betamax wrote:Let's see, The Cory was the reigning Team MVP, in his prime of his career, beat out the former franchise goalie who had a "lifetime contract" for the starting goalie job (the most important position in hockey) and he gets traded for just one asset back -- an unproven but decent prospect that isn't "can't miss."


Oh ffs, even Eddie Suckage Lack beat out the Living Legend for the starting goalie job! :lol:

Face it, you have an irrational love for Panic Attack, McGuire, Myers, Reinhart, etc...


duh, at least they are or will be part of the NHL. You can't say the same with your man Torts' ....... who basically thought Lack was going to provide what Cory did when he became the de facto no. 1. The results after Lu was gone writes for itself. :mex:
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Re: If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would

Postby Strangelove » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:17 pm

Betamax wrote:duh, at least they are or will be part of the NHL. You can't say the same with your man Torts' ....... who basically thought Lack was going to provide what Cory did when he became the de facto no. 1. The results after Lu was gone writes for itself. :mex:


UMMMMM.... how would YOU know what Torts "thought"?

And POINT WAS if prima donna (Italian for "first lady") Lou is going to have a hissy fit at every turn...

Well he can go fuck himself up the ass in Florida with a red-hot poker says I.

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Re: If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would

Postby RoyalDude » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:22 pm

Hey Doc, you miss those boxed wines from the great Port Moody vineyard - Andres wines? I bet you were throwing that shit down your gullet like it was going out of style back when you lived across the street from Clark Park
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Re: If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would

Postby Strangelove » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:29 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Hey Doc, you miss those boxed wines from the great Port Moody vineyard - Andres wines? I bet you were throwing that shit down your gullet like it was going out of style back when you lived across the street from Clark Park


Holy fuck Dood, get a grip, a guy wouldn't survive back in the hood, back in the day, drinking wine!! :shock:

Wasn't til I got to Abby that I got into the wine... just trying to fit in.

Does wine really come in boxes?? :crazy:

Cuz yeah, you keep saying that.

Are ya holed up in the bathroom with the laptop and a bottle of whiskey again big guy? ;)
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Re: If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would

Postby Mr.Miyagi » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:24 am

Betamax wrote:Let's see, The Cory was the reigning Team MVP, in his prime of his career, beat out the former franchise goalie who had a "lifetime contract" for the starting goalie job (the most important position in hockey) and he gets traded for just one asset back -- an unproven but decent prospect that isn't "can't miss."


I have to say I agree with you there BM. What the team ultimately paid for Horvat was such a huge investment and gamble ... your'e right. He is far from "can't miss" but dangerously close to "can't fail."

The biggest criticism of GMMG so far is having two of the best goalies in the league one year, and less than a year later having two rookie goalies, a depth center, and an unproven rookie to show for it.

If somehow, GMJB could turn that into a first overall pick then the loss of #1 and #35 don't seem as bad. That being said ... fan's perception means squat and results on the ice mean everything. As we said from day #1 with both Lou and Schneider's deals ... we won't know who really wins the trades for years to come.
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Re: If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would

Postby Betamax » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:17 am

Mr.Miyagi wrote:
Betamax wrote:Let's see, The Cory was the reigning Team MVP, in his prime of his career, beat out the former franchise goalie who had a "lifetime contract" for the starting goalie job (the most important position in hockey) and he gets traded for just one asset back -- an unproven but decent prospect that isn't "can't miss."


I have to say I agree with you there BM. What the team ultimately paid for Horvat was such a huge investment and gamble ... your'e right. He is far from "can't miss" but dangerously close to "can't fail."

The biggest criticism of GMMG so far is having two of the best goalies in the league one year, and less than a year later having two rookie goalies, a depth center, and an unproven rookie to show for it.

If somehow, GMJB could turn that into a first overall pick then the loss of #1 and #35 don't seem as bad. That being said ... fan's perception means squat and results on the ice mean everything. As we said from day #1 with both Lou and Schneider's deals ... we won't know who really wins the trades for years to come.


Yeah, as Jimmy Hughson stated on TEAM Radio this morning, the fact that they have talked to Miller is a clear indicator that they aren't completely sold on Lack being a a true No. 1 franchise goalie. Given the small sample size, that's perfectly reasonable line of of thinking.

However, instead of Miller, I'd go with another vet that you could acquire or sign on a short term deal, just in case Lack emerges as a "true No. 1 franchise goalie."

Some options are MAF, perhaps as part of a Kesler deal with Pit where they also acquire Pouliot. Then the Pens sign a Miller who would be there to win a Stanley Cup. :mex:
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Re: If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would

Postby Nuckertuzzi » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:37 am

I've thought about this a lot and while I think it's a smart idea to go after a true center piece to build around like Sam Reinhart, ultimately I hope we don't pull the trigger and keep what we have.

My reasons are very simple. It seems that whenever we give up high profile prospects before they've matured it comes back to haunt us (Peca, Umberger, Hodgson, Grabner,..dare I say Neely). If we don't make the move and Reinhart goes on to have a greater career than the guys we kept and drafted, I don't think many of us will look back and regret not making the trade. If we do make the trade, not only do we have to hold our breaths on Bo or Hunter we have to do it with the guy we could have had at 6th…and not to mention Ekblad - you have the 1st overall, you better pick the right guy.

I just don't want to spend the next decade weighing Sam against those other options. Stick with the devil you know.
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Re: If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would

Postby Betamax » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:51 am

So, DCMP was in the house @TEAM1040 and his take was that he would do a Shinkaruk + 6th overall + roster player (he mentioned Hansen) for the 1st overall.

I disagree and I am of the belief that they should retain Shinkaruk and offer either Jensen or Horvat over my guy Hunter who was also interviewed on the station and said he's now at 100% health. 8-)

Anyway, he also mentioned, maybe they should go after the No. 2 pick and try to make a deal with the Sabres, since it seems like every other team that going for No. 1 is going after Ekblad. He talked about GMJB's history with the Sabres but I'm not sure how relevant it is today, since there has been an ownership change and complete chance in their management team. :mex:
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Re: If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would

Postby Island Nucklehead » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:14 pm

Betamax wrote:So, DCMP was in the house @TEAM1040 and his take was that he would do a Shinkaruk + 6th overall + roster player (he mentioned Hansen) for the 1st overall.

I disagree and I am of the belief that they should retain Shinkaruk and offer either Jensen or Horvat over my guy Hunter who was also interviewed on the station and said he's now at 100% health. 8-)

Anyway, he also mentioned, maybe they should go after the No. 2 pick and try to make a deal with the Sabres, since it seems like every other team that going for No. 1 is going after Ekblad. He talked about GMJB's history with the Sabres but I'm not sure how relevant it is today, since there has been an ownership change and complete chance in their management team. :mex:


Fuck it, give them Edler+6th for number 2. We keep Tanev, still get Reinhart. They get Edler to re-team with Ehrhoff.

Your boner-buddy Shrinkwrap stays in Van-City, we keep Horvat. Everyone wins. (Except Edler, who has to waive, to go to Buffalo. Yeah...........)
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Re: If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:40 pm

Tallon confirms Canucks have tabled a very favourable offer for the number one pick. Says two other teams have tabled solid offers as well and hopes 4-5 more will by draft time.


Needs,scoring from right side either wingers or on D. Has had follow up discussions with one of the teams (presumable the Canucks) and odds of trading pick rising but not there yet.

MacKenzie again says Canucks offer is Hunter, the 6th and an unnamed roster player, presumably Hansen but not sure. Will not include Hunter and Tanev both.
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Re: If it took Horvat + 6th to acquire 2014 1st pick, would

Postby Jovocop » Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:50 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Tallon confirms Canucks have tabled a very favourable offer for the number one pick. Says two other teams have tabled solid offers as well and hopes 4-5 more will by draft time.


Needs,scoring from right side either wingers or on D. Has had follow up discussions with one of the teams (presumable the Canucks) and odds of trading pick rising but not there yet.

MacKenzie again says Canucks offer is Hunter, the 6th and an unnamed roster player, presumably Hansen but not sure. Will not include Hunter and Tanev both.


I could live with Hansen + Tanev + 6th but losing Hunter will be a step backward. The Canucks will have zero depth on the left winger position.
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