(Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach?

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Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach?

Dan Bylsma
2
3%
Marc Crawford
2
3%
Kevin Dineen
2
3%
Ken Hitchcock
1
2%
Mike Keenan
2
3%
Pierre McGuire
16
28%
Todd McLellan
2
3%
John Stevens
6
10%
Barry Trotz
14
24%
Other (Please Specify with a Write in Vote)
11
19%
 
Total votes : 58

Re: (Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach

Postby Rumsfeld » Wed May 21, 2014 1:45 pm

1 p-Detroit Red Wings CE 82 50 19 13 254 199 113
2 y-Anaheim Ducks PA 82 48 20 14 258 208 110
3 y-Vancouver Canucks NW 82 49 26 7 222 201 105
4 Nashville Predators CE 82 51 23 8 272 212 110
5 San Jose Sharks PA 82 51 26 5 258 199 107
6 Dallas Stars PA 82 50 25 7 226 197 107
7 Minnesota Wild NW 82 48 26 8 235 191 104
8 Calgary Flames NW 82 43 29 10 258 226 96
9 Colorado Avalanche NW 82 44 31 7 272 251 95
10 St. Louis Blues CE 82 34 35 13 214 254 81
11 Columbus Blue Jackets CE 82 33 42 7 201 249 73
12 Edmonton Oilers NW 82 32 43 7 195 248 71
13 Chicago Blackhawks CE 82 31 42 9 201 258 71
14 Los Angeles Kings PA 82 27 41 14 227 283 68
15 Phoenix Coyotes PA 82 31 46 5 216 284

You're a pretty special guy Meds.

Are you really not going to just admit you were wrong about Trotz never having any teams "even close" (LOFL) to being as good as the Canucks in recent years?

Like OMFG dude, you just wrote 17 paragraphs of drivel in an attempt to cover your obvious ignorance and explain why a team with the 3rd-best record in the league that led the West in goal wasn't really very good. Seriously?

Lemme dumb it down to Meds-level for you.

That was the best team Trotz ever had to work with.

That team won one playoff game.

None of his other teams ever did jack shit either.

So lauding his playoff record as successful, which BOS was doing, is a little far-fetched to say the least. He won two rounds in nine years.

That was my ONLY point, the point you rolled your mongoloid eyes at.

Capice?

Holy fuck what a waste of time.
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Re: (Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach

Postby Meds » Wed May 21, 2014 2:38 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:1 p-Detroit Red Wings CE 82 50 19 13 254 199 113
2 y-Anaheim Ducks PA 82 48 20 14 258 208 110
3 y-Vancouver Canucks NW 82 49 26 7 222 201 105
4 Nashville Predators CE 82 51 23 8 272 212 110
5 San Jose Sharks PA 82 51 26 5 258 199 107
6 Dallas Stars PA 82 50 25 7 226 197 107
7 Minnesota Wild NW 82 48 26 8 235 191 104
8 Calgary Flames NW 82 43 29 10 258 226 96
9 Colorado Avalanche NW 82 44 31 7 272 251 95
10 St. Louis Blues CE 82 34 35 13 214 254 81
11 Columbus Blue Jackets CE 82 33 42 7 201 249 73
12 Edmonton Oilers NW 82 32 43 7 195 248 71
13 Chicago Blackhawks CE 82 31 42 9 201 258 71
14 Los Angeles Kings PA 82 27 41 14 227 283 68
15 Phoenix Coyotes PA 82 31 46 5 216 284

You're a pretty special guy Meds.


Thanks Rummy, I like to think so too.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fe ... e=goalsFor

1 BUFFALO 82 204 60 8 8 2 0 0 0 6 9 1 298 3.63
2 OTTAWA 82 179 66 5 10 1 0 0 0 13 12 0 286 3.49
3 PITTSBURG 82 144 80 11 7 3 1 1 0 12 5 3 267 3.26
4 COLORADO 82 171 66 11 5 2 0 0 0 7 5 0 267 3.26
5 NASHVILLE 82 173 63 7 6 1 0 0 0 7 7 2 266 3.24
6 SAN JOSE 82 145 78 11 7 2 0 0 0 5 7 1 256 3.12
7 CALGARY 82 153 64 8 5 0 0 0 0 14 11 0 255 3.11
8 TORONTO 82 165 55 15 7 1 0 1 0 2 5 3 254 3.10
9 ANAHEIM 82 147 78 6 8 4 0 0 0 3 7 1 254 3.10
10 DETROIT 82 153 60 8 11 0 0 0 0 11 9 0 252 3.07

Sorted by Goals For. Colorado with 267 total goals for. Nashville with 266 total goals for.

I have no idea why the Conference standings show different numbers in the GF column compared to the breakdown of team stats.

Rummy wrote:Are you really not going to just admit you were wrong about Trotz never having any teams "even close" (LOFL) to being as good as the Canucks in recent years?

Like OMFG dude, you just wrote like 17 paragraphs of drivel in an attempt to cover your obvious ignorance and explain why a team with the 4th best record in the league that led in GF in the West wasn't really very good. Seriously?


Really? Not very good? That's what you took from.....

Meds wrote:Go look at the roster every year since Nashville entered the league. Beyond Kariya, the oft injured Sullivan, and a hobbled Forsberg for a handful of games, they have never had much in the way of top tier offensive talent.

...

Regardless, it is impressive that Trotz's team did do so well offensively considering they really didn't have many top forwards behind Kariya. They scored a pile of goals by committee. Nobody hit 30 goals, but 6 players notched 20+. They played a really good team system where everyone contributed. Coaching generally has a lot to do with that.


Stating in my initial reply that Trotz has never had a roster as talented as what Vigneault had for 3 seasons in Vancouver, somehow amounts to me saying that the Predators of 2006-07 weren't very good.

And I will add now that I overlooked Jason Arnott, he was a solid 2nd line center.

Rummy wrote:Lemm dumb it doen to Meds-level for you.

That was the best team Trotz ever had to work with.

That team won one playoff game.


I never denied that it was the best he had to work with. I simply said that it wasn't as talented as the Canucks between 2010-2013. And that it was only one season that he had that team for. I also agreed, they look like they should have won more than a single game.

Rummy wrote:None of his other teams ever did jack shit either.

So lauding his playoff record as successful, which BOS was doing, is a little far-fetched to say the least.

That was my ONLY point, the point you rolled your mongoloid eyes at.

Capice?

Holy fuck what a waste of time.


You're right about the waste of time, but only because you can't remember what you initially wrote. I'll remind you.....

Rummy wrote:
BoS wrote:-15 years h/c in Western Conference
-Experience building from dregs up
-Playoff experience: 6 of last 9 seasons - twice to Conference semi's
-Highly demanding+commands players respect = successful players coach
-Passionate/thoughtful/media savvy
-93/94 Calder winning h/c
-Western Canadian


So twice to the second round in nine years despite some very good teams and two of the best D-men in the game.


YOU added the bold to BoS's post. Then went on to say despite some very good teams, when in fact he has had one good roster to work with.....and that roster didn't actually make it to the conference semi's.

And if by not doing jack shit you mean not getting to at least the conference finals, then obviously that's true. But when you have a team full of plugs, and you actually get that team into the playoffs 7/15 seasons, and actually get two of those teams into the second round.....then I would say something is being done right. He's no Scotty Bowman, but then again, Bowman never really had to work with a steaming pile of shit for 15 seasons.


Now are you really not going to just face up to the fact that you claimed that Trotz had some very good teams (plural) to work with?

Rummy wrote:So twice to the second round in nine years despite some very good teams and two of the best D-men in the game.


And that I said that Trotz has never had a team close to as talented as the roster Vigneault coached between 2010 and 2013. As in the players assembled on the Vancouver Canucks for the 2010-11, 2011-12, and 2013, seasons, were overall more talented then any team that Trotz has been given to coach in his 17 year tenure in Nashville.

You then thought it best to point out that in 2006-07 Nashville had a better team than Vancouver. But YOU completely missed the point. I pointed out that YOU were wrong when you claimed that Trotz had been the benefactor of having some very good teams (plural), I claimed that he had not. In fact, he has had one team that has been good, and you were correct in that it was in 2006-07. But that team was still not on par with the assembled roster(s) that Vigneault had to work with for the three seasons which I named.

I mean really Rummy, you can't just own up to the fact that you argued plural and backed up singular? You really need to dodge and deflect?
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Re: (Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach

Postby Rumsfeld » Wed May 21, 2014 2:45 pm

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You just posted the wrong year or the wrong stats, Nashville finished with 272 goals in '07, tied with Colorado for first but with a much better GA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_NHL_season

I don't know where you got the numbers you're posting but wow. :lol:

The rest of your rubbish is, as usual, unreadable. You're either too stupid or too insecure to concede a very simple point, so I'm not wasting any more time trying to sift through the textual sharting you consider a post.
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Re: (Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach

Postby Meds » Wed May 21, 2014 2:53 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:You just posted the wrong year or the wrong stats, Nashville finished with 272 goals in '07, tied with Colorado for first but with a much better GA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_NHL_season

I don't know where you got the numbers you're posting but wow. :lol:

The rest of your rubbish is, as usual, unreadable.


I'm gonna go with the link from NHL.com over wikipedia.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fe ... e=goalsFor

I do get a kick out of the fact that now you're adding GA, and by that goal differential, to your point of leading the western conference in scoring.

I'm glad you are willing to quit before you dig too deep a hole.
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Re: (Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach

Postby Rumsfeld » Wed May 21, 2014 2:58 pm

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NHL.com, huh. This NHL.com?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm?se ... r&type=LEA

Meds wrote:I do get a kick out of the fact that now you're adding GA, and by that goal differential, to your point of leading the western conference in scoring.


Yes Meds, goal differential is how the league determines who finishes first in goals, in the event of a tie.

Now who's first in the west you fucking waterhead?

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Re: (Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach

Postby Meds » Wed May 21, 2014 3:04 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:Image

NHL.com, huh. This NHL.com?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm?se ... r&type=LEA

Yes Meds, goal differential is how the league determines who finishes first in goals, in the event of a tie.

Now who's first in the west you fucking waterhead?

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Well according to the standings, Nashville, by virtue of a tie-breaker, according to the team stats that I linked to, Colorado is ahead by a goal.

Like I said, it doesn't make much sense.

But carry on, you can choose to ignore it and post all the .gifs you want. Ignoring evidence and phrasing it your own way is what you're best at. My guess is you probably didn't even bother to check the link I posted. You're still wrong.
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Re: (Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach

Postby Rumsfeld » Wed May 21, 2014 3:09 pm

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So I'm right, all team standings confirm I'm right, but I'm still wrong. :lol:

Thanks for your time Meds. Hope you're better at reading vital signs than you are basic statistics.
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Re: (Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach

Postby Tciso » Wed May 21, 2014 3:13 pm

You two are Effen awesome. Nashville had 6 shootout wins in 2006/7. The players had 266 goals credited to them, but the team scored 272. Players do not get credit for the shootout goals, but the team does. Rummy, Meds has you beat cold on this one.


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Rumsfeld wrote:NHL.com, huh. This NHL.com?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm?se ... r&type=LEA

Yes Meds, goal differential is how the league determines who finishes first in goals, in the event of a tie.

Now who's first in the west you fucking waterhead?



Well according to the standings, Nashville, by virtue of a tie-breaker, according to the team stats that I linked to, Colorado is ahead by a goal.

Like I said, it doesn't make much sense.

But carry on, you can choose to ignore it and post all the .gifs you want. Ignoring evidence and phrasing it your own way is what you're best at. My guess is you probably didn't even bother to check the link I posted. You're still wrong.
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Re: (Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach

Postby Rumsfeld » Wed May 21, 2014 3:18 pm

Tciso wrote:You two are Effen awesome. Nashville had 6 shootout wins in 2006/7. The players had 266 goals credited to them, but the team scored 272. Players do not get credit for the shootout goals, but the team does. Rummy, Meds has you beat cold on this one.


Really Crisco? So the official final standings do not determine the team with the best GF? The Predators as a TEAM didn't have the most goals in the West?

:wow:

You do realize that even if you guys were right about the stats, and you're not, we're talking one shootout goal over 82 games here?

And since the original point was that the Preds did in fact have an elite team under Trots that finished well ahead of the '07, '08, '09,'10, and '13 Canucks in both points and wins means Meds loses. Badly. As usual.
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Re: (Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach

Postby Meds » Wed May 21, 2014 3:34 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:Image

So I'm right, all team standings confirm I'm right, but I'm still wrong. :lol:

Thanks for your time Meds. Hope you're better at reading vital signs than you are basic statistics.


Team standings? Go look at the team stats, specifically the link I added there that takes you to 2006-2007 - Regular Season - Skater - Goals For - Total Goals For you asshat. The standings and the stats contradict each other. The standings are including shootout winning goals, which don't count for the players as an actual goal. The stats are the benchmark.

So like I said. You're wrong. Colorado players recorded one more goal than the Predators did in 2006-07.
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Re: (Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach

Postby Tciso » Wed May 21, 2014 3:34 pm

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Tciso wrote:You two are Effen awesome. Nashville had 6 shootout wins in 2006/7. The players had 266 goals credited to them, but the team scored 272. Players do not get credit for the shootout goals, but the team does. Rummy, Meds has you beat cold on this one.


Really Crisco? So the official final standings do not determine the team with the best GF? The Predators as a TEAM didn't have the most goals in the West?

:wow:

You do realize that even if you guys were right about the stats, and you're not, we're talking one shootout goal over 82 games here?

And since the original point was that the Preds did in fact have an elite team under Trots that finished well ahead of the '07, '08, '09,'10, and '13 Canucks in both points and wins means Meds loses. Badly. As usual.


Your definition of "elite team" is a little weak. They were 4th in the league that year. Definitely a good team. Maybe even great. But, not elite. Elite teams don't get wiped out in 5 games by a team that is 3 points below them in the standings.
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Re: (Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach

Postby Rumsfeld » Wed May 21, 2014 3:39 pm

Tciso wrote:Your definition of "elite team" is a little weak. They were 4th in the league that year. Definitely a good team. Maybe even great. But, not elite. Elite teams don't get wiped out in 5 games by a team that is 3 points below them in the standings.


They had the 3rd best record in the league. Anaheim passed them based on winning their division. 3 out of 30 isn''t elite now, that's cool.

And it's good to know the 2012 President's Trophy winning Canucks should not be considered an elite team. Isn't that one of the squads Meds is using to make his "AV had way better teams" argument?

At the end of the year the team with the most GF is determined by the Final Standings, not whatever obscure column you guys are using.
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Re: (Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach

Postby Meds » Wed May 21, 2014 3:47 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:
Tciso wrote:You two are Effen awesome. Nashville had 6 shootout wins in 2006/7. The players had 266 goals credited to them, but the team scored 272. Players do not get credit for the shootout goals, but the team does. Rummy, Meds has you beat cold on this one.


Really Crisco? So the official final standings do not determine the team with the best GF? The Predators as a TEAM didn't have the most goals in the West?

:wow:

You do realize that even if you guys were right about the stats, and you're not, we're talking one shootout goal over 82 games here?

And since the original point was that the Preds did in fact have an elite team under Trots that finished well ahead of the '07, '08, '09,'10, and '13 Canucks in both points and wins means Meds loses. Badly. As usual.


Well I never said anything about the '07, '08, '09, or '10 Canucks. I definitely think that the roster that won 2 President's trophies, '11 and '12, which was by and large the same roster that we saw in '13, was a more talented group of players. They just underachieved.....and so we chased Vigneault out of town. I initially, and still am, arguing about the collection of players.

Rummy, you just keep scrambling all over the place instead of admitting that Trotz has only ever had one good roster to work with. It wasn't as good as what Vigneault had to work with in the years that I initially stated. The 2011-12 Canucks were one of the best teams going.....and like the lesser Predators of 2006-07, they completely choked in the playoffs only managing to win a single game. But they were still a more talented group of players.
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Re: (Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach

Postby Rumsfeld » Wed May 21, 2014 3:56 pm

Well I never said anything about the '07, '08, '09, or '10 Canucks


Oh you didn't?

Meds wrote:Trotz has never had an NHL roster that was even close to as talented as the Canucks from 2010-1013.


Yup, I'm scrambling when this all started over your statement (quoted above), which was clearly made before you had any clue how good the 2007 Preds were. :lol:

"Not even close", eh?

You were proven wrong and, as usual, resorted to unintelligible 500-word posts that had nothing to do with my initial point. Because you're an insecure little chickenshit who can't admit when he's wrong. Which is all the fucking time.

That, my fat little friend, is the definition of "scrambling".

Or did you know that the Preds had the 3rd-best record in the league and 110 points BEFORE I pointed it out? And you still made that irrational statement (quoted above)?

Is that what you're saying here Meds? You knew it all along? :lol:

Sure ya did Meds.

My mistake was bothering to try and engage you in an honest discussion. I remember good 'ole Potato saying the same thing... there's no point with you Meds. Instead of simply acknowledging something of which you clearly were not aware, you just spent two pages arguing over 1 shootout goal. Nice. :lol:
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Re: (Poll) Who do you want to be the Canucks next Head Coach

Postby Meds » Wed May 21, 2014 4:12 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:
Tciso wrote:Your definition of "elite team" is a little weak. They were 4th in the league that year. Definitely a good team. Maybe even great. But, not elite. Elite teams don't get wiped out in 5 games by a team that is 3 points below them in the standings.


They had the 3rd best record in the league. Anaheim passed them based on winning their division. 3 out of 30 isn''t elite now, that's cool.

And it's good to know the 2012 President's Trophy winning Canucks should not be considered an elite team. Isn't that one of the squads Meds is using to make his "AV had way better teams" argument?

At the end of the year the team with the most GF is determined by the Final Standings, not whatever obscure column you guys are using.


Wait a minute.....so the final standings determine who really has the most GF......but they don't reflect which team finishes higher in the standings regardless of record? So really Anaheim does finish in 3rd and Nashville in 4th.....or don't they?

I mean.....which is it Rummy?
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