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Torts Tossed

Postby Cornuck » Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:48 pm

Let's combine all of the talk about Tort's upcoming firing and tomorrow's presser into one thread.
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Re: Torts Tossed

Postby Zamboni Driver » Thu May 01, 2014 6:57 am

Cornuck wrote:Let's combine all of the talk about Tort's upcoming firing and tomorrow's presser into one thread.


Ant chance we could trade him for Babcock or Hitchcock? :P

Or does he follow Keenan and head over to Russia & win the Gagarin cup? :lol:
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Re: Torts Tossed

Postby Meds » Thu May 01, 2014 7:26 am

Bring in Barry!!!!
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Re: Torts Tossed

Postby sagebrush » Thu May 01, 2014 10:13 am

There'll be competition for Trotz' services. Time's a wasting.

Tallon:
Barry Trotz is a hell of a coach.

Hamhuis:
I actually really enjoyed playing for Barry.
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Re: Torts Tossed

Postby Cornuck » Thu May 01, 2014 10:21 am

Canucks wrote:Vancouver, B.C. – Vancouver Canucks President of Hockey Operations Trevor Linden announced today that Head Coach John Tortorella and Assistant Coach Mike Sullivan have been relieved of their coaching duties.

“Today we are making an important change in the direction of our team,” said Linden. “On behalf of the entire organization, we extend our thanks to John, Mike and their families for their commitment to the Canucks and wish them the very best.”

“We have a lot of important work to accomplish this off-season as we build our management and coaching staff, improve our roster and connect with our fans,” added Linden. “Our General Manager search is well underway and we will begin assessing head coaching candidates immediately.”
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Re: Torts Tossed

Postby Aaronp18 » Thu May 01, 2014 10:25 am

So Gulutzan escapes the guillotine!
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Re: Torts Tossed

Postby wafflecombine » Thu May 01, 2014 11:01 am

So now that the team has removed the GM and coach, what is the next move beyond finding replacements? Does Linden look to move big pieces of the core? Does everyone with a NTC get told to submit their list of teams they would consider? Does Henrick lose the C?

Just questions, looking forward to your opinions.
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Re: Torts Tossed

Postby Mondi » Thu May 01, 2014 11:08 am

There is no f-ing way that Henrik is losing the C.

The guy is the franchise leader in points, assists, Hart trophies, Art Ross trophies (tied)...etc.

The idea that because the team had one bad season and therefore the entire team is worthless is so stupid (not saying that's your point of view).

The Aqua family seems to have that semi-nuclear reaction each time the team misses the playoffs.

That said, one bad year does not necessarily indicate scorched earth policy. A new GM, new coach, a draft and some trades have been or will be done...beyond that we don't have to start stripping the most decorated player in Canucks history of his well-earned captaincy.

The likely scenario going forward is a GM hire, followed by a coach, followed by the draft, followed by UFA. Followed by hopefully a long period of no Canuck news.

And even if the team is bad next year, it's not the end of the world nor does it mean they will be good the following year. Think about how its gone for Calgary, Edmonton, Florida...etc over the last 6-8 years.

2010-2012 was a process started in 1999-2000...even if 2003 was another potential peak year. These things can and often do take time.
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Re: Torts Tossed

Postby Tciso » Thu May 01, 2014 11:17 am

This was a good move. We all knew Torts would either fly or flop. And, it was a flop.

Linden did the right thing by firing Torts before hiring a new GM. This gives the new GM a blank slate to hire his own coach. If Torts had stayed, we would limit who would come as GM, or the GM's first act would be to fire the coach.
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Re: Torts Tossed

Postby herb » Thu May 01, 2014 11:45 am

Interesting that firing Torts only cost ownership $1.6M.

Also interesting that Gulutzan escaped punishment.

I kind of like Torts, but Sullivan is just an idiot. Good riddance.
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Re: Torts Tossed

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu May 01, 2014 11:49 am

herb wrote:Interesting that firing Torts only cost ownership $1.6M.

Also interesting that Gulutzan escaped punishment.

I kind of like Torts, but Sullivan is just an idiot. Good riddance.


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Re: Torts Tossed

Postby herb » Thu May 01, 2014 11:51 am

Hockey Widow wrote:missing the playoffs costs more.


Yeah, that's probably like half a game or something.
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Re: Torts Tossed

Postby Betamax » Thu May 01, 2014 12:07 pm

Cornuck wrote:Let's combine all of the talk about Tort's upcoming firing and tomorrow's presser into one thread.


Press conference @ 1pm can be seen online via:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVSJ0xr5cC0

Also covered live on TEAM 1040.
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Re: Torts Tossed

Postby Betamax » Thu May 01, 2014 12:13 pm

Aaronp18 wrote:So Gulutzan escapes the guillotine!


I think ... with the caveat ... for now. Unlike Sully who was tied to the hip with Fonzie, Gully was a Michel D. Gillis' hire. TEAM Radio's Sekeres speculated that they may re-assign him to another position or wait until the new GM and Coach is appointed to see if they can find a position for him, else he might end up being axed as well.
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Re: Torts Tossed

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu May 01, 2014 12:14 pm

I wonder whose backyard Torts and MG will be gathering for beer and burgers. I wonder if Torts is still willing to sit down with media over a burger and a beer?

His firing was inevitable to moment GM went on radio and did his my way or the highway thing. The moment he said he was going to get back to his original plan. It sure sounded like Torts was gonna go then. Fast forward to Trevor and you knew Torts was gone. It was almost impossible to see any scenario where he would be back.

Some say TL should have waited for the new GM. I say only if TL was ok with Torts coming back. If he knew or felt he had to go he did the right thing in cleaning it up before he brought in a new GM. Let the new GM be the main part of the process in bringing in a new coaching staff.

Sullivan was universally disliked by many of the players. Torts was respected and liked as a person but his coaching was confusing and his antics confounding. I loved Torts this year. I loved his frankness. But I question some of his decisions. I would have been ok to give him one more year to see if last year was an anomaly but I am ok with this dismissal too. A fresh start for TL and company, clean slate. No excuses next year Trevor, this is your team.

Interestingly, on a radio talk show he was asked about Kesler. His response was yes, Kesler does have a few issues/concerns that are actively being discussed and looked at. I wonder if Torts and Sullivan were two of those concerns.
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