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Re: All-Encompassing Coaching/Shot Blocking Discussion!!!

Post by Betamax » Tue May 20, 2014 9:18 am

ClamRussel wrote:How much would Torts have loved the St.Louis trade while he was there, hmmm?
Giving how Fonzie enjoyed his blood,sweat and tears shot blocking types, I would surmise that he would have loved the often-injured Callahan even more, EH?
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Betamax wrote:
In the past two years, here's the team's record in and outside the division. Numbers grabbed from Hockey Reference:

GP Wins Losses OTL Pts/82 GF/82 GA/82 GD/82
Against Northwest 48 36 9 3 128 265 164 101
Against Other Divisions 116 69 32 15 108 252 203 49

In 116 games outside the Northwest in two years, the Canucks' points over 82 games would be pro-rated to 108. That would have won them the Presidents' Trophy in 2011 but left them one point shy in 2012. The +49 goal differential would have been beaten by three teams: the 2011 Bruins, the 2012 Bruins and the 2012 Penguins. Not bad company right there.

So even outside the Northwest, Vancouver's been pretty good and that's sort of surprised me, given how badly they've rung up Colorado and Edmonton particularly in the last couple of years.
What say you? 8-)
This is a pretty poor attempt to support your position Betamax.

Check the three seasons prior to 2013-14 and compare their records against the teams leaving their division (Colorado and Minnesota) vs. those joining (Anaheim, LA, Phoenix, San Jose).. you can just eliminate the noise of their 22-8-3 vs Calgary and Edmonton over the same stretch.

The team was 0.765 against Colorado and Minnesota and .602 vs Anaheim, LA, Phoenix and San Jose over that period. They were .680 against the rest of the league. Doesn't really matter whether they racked up points against the Eastern Conference, or whoever.

The bottom line is that losing eight easy games a year (three each vs Colorado and Minnesota and one each vs the Alberta teams) and gaining eight against teams the Canucks have historically done worse than average against is a significant factor..

Obviously the wheels fell off this season and this team had (and has) several other significant problems. But they're now in a division where it's a dogfight just to make the playoffs every year, nevermind having to beat two divisional teams once they get there.
duh, read the context of my response to Clam. Even you #VERIFIED that the Canucks had a #WINNING record against the California teams during their back to back years.

Now, can you please make yourself useful in this thread, and de-construct the shitty article by (Hockey Blogging Legend ... LOL), CAM CHARRON, "A POINT ABOUT TORTORELLA AND SHOT BLOCKING" originally written on October 08 2013 12:53PM ...

via http://canucksarmy.com/2013/10/8/a-poin ... t-blocking

which was once touted as "one of the better articles on shot blocking" by someone @hf ... LOL.

Thanks, bro! :D

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Re: All-Encompassing Coaching/Shot Blocking Discussion!!!

Post by Betamax » Tue May 20, 2014 9:48 am

Strangelove wrote:So AV could make a case if the criteria were changed... maybe?? :lol:

Wrong. (the writers of THN would disagree with their fledgling editor and have him horsewhipped)
duh, yeah ... if the criteria included the Playoffs, would The Golden Kid be the Hart Trophy favourite? What say you? 8-)


"He’s taken what looks like a middling Rangers roster" :lol:
UMMM.. isn't this the same core that, in the previous 2 seasons, "Fonzie" won 3 rounds with??

ISN'T IT??!! :evil:

:lol:

duh, yeah with the same core that didn't want to play for him and wanted him out in their exit interviews ....

Betamax wrote:
Strangelove wrote: AV has a shelf-life and it had expired in Vancouver, just as it will in New York eventually.
All coaches have a shelf life. Some longer than others as we've seen here.
UMMMM this is not a good example of Mr Tortorella's shelf-life.

Mr Tortorella's shelf-life is generally 4.5 - 8 years.

But yours truly is glad that YOU (seemingly) agree with yours truly that AV's shelf-life in Vcr was PASSED DUE.
Well, it all depended on what the Canucks wanted to do. Make significant changes to player personnel (which would have been difficult given the Salary Cap situation and NTC/NMC) or make a change in Coaching. The organization made a decision that was easier to make. It's a lot easier to fire and hire a new coach vs. making significant roster changes. Unfortunately, the hired the wrong coach for the the type of roster they had.

Strangelove wrote:wait... so YOU are saying that Tortsy has been an NHL head coach for "TWO DECADES"

.... and he's won the Stanley Cup?? :shock:

That's AWESOME dude! :thumbs:
Whether it's a decade ago, or two ... who here, besides you, gives a fuck? I mean, Keenan came to Vancouver after winning a cup about ~5 years previously .. it did dick all to how the Canucks performed under his and Messier's "leadership." Furthermore, I would say that Feaster is credited with being the architect of that 2004 Stanley Cup as well ... does that have equity with you?

All I know is that Feaster fucked things up with the ROR offer sheet and I don't care what he did a decade ago, it's a performance based business predicated on "what for you done for me lately" ... the NHL is not in the nostalgia business ... although certain O6 teams have those god awful long ceremonies on a regular basis honoring past "championships" won in a six-team league. LOL. FTR, that's less teams competing for the "championship" than it is for the CFL Grey Cup, LOL.
Well maybe YOUR Vancouver Canucks should have given this CHAMPION a little more time then EH?

Surprised you missed the part where Johnny T gave this team a kick in the posterior they'll NEVER forget. :hmmm:

After all, exactly one year ago, most Canuck fans were SCREAMING for dat dere!

We should all be sure then to give Mr T... FULL CREDIT... for said kick... MOVING FORWARD.
duh, all I know is that Fonzie was suppose to be that "booster cable", the magic pill that would bring "stiffness" to the aging core ... instead of getting Viagra infused Coaching, the Canucks got some counterfeit placebo and played like a bunch of OAPs ... You or Blob is more than welcome to insert your Pac Blue jokes, here.
Only Leaf fans.

By way of contrast, surely EVERYONE admires Tortsy for winning the Cup exactly 10 years ago

.... in a 30-team league with a $34m payroll (average team payroll was $48m)!!!

ACTUALLY when you THINK ABOUT IT he's more like a GOD than a man!
So, if Fonzie is to be admired, ergo, using your logic, the Architect of that team that won the championship a decade ago, should have been a strong candidate for the next GM for YOUR Canucks:

livin' in the past:

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duh, that turned out well in Cal-town, EH?

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Re: All-Encompassing Coaching/Shot Blocking Discussion!!!

Post by Betamax » Tue May 20, 2014 1:02 pm

Strangelove wrote: Also, Aquilini actually would have had "a huge public relations headache" if he had kept AV.

Which, of course, makes your man WRONG.
If ownership/Michael D. Gillis decided to retain AV, they would have had to make significant turnover to the roster. Similar to the position the Sharks are in this off-season to avoid a "P.R." headache. That would mean in part, being assholes to certain core members with NTC/NMC ... Michael D. Gillis didn't want to be an asshole to his core guys.

Strangelove wrote: "Funny how a dumb move by one team can turn out so brilliantly for another."


Wrong. (firing AV was the right move)
Hiring Fonzie was the wrong move. Do you dispute that? 8-)
Hmmm... YOU SEEM TO BE GOING OFF ON A TANGENT. :mrgreen:
If we are going off on a tangent, can we assume the other parts of his article you, duh, conveniently excluded in your replies, you believe Mr. Shuker was the mayor of RIGHTVILLE in those instances? :D
Strangelove wrote:UMMMM if Gillis had the buyout wouldn't that make your man WRONG?

Wouldn't it be exactly as I said (somewhere between $1.7m and $9.7m) (depending on Torts being re-hired)?

THINK ABOUT IT :mex:
duh, you are making an assumption that Fonzie will be re-hired during the four remaining on his contract. I would say The Cory would have a better chance of being a Vezina Finalist if not a winner of said trophy, then seeing Fonzie becoming an NHL head coach again and lead that team to just one Playoffs round victory during that timespan. 8-)

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Re: All-Encompassing Coaching/Shot Blocking Discussion!!!

Post by dbr » Tue May 20, 2014 1:52 pm

Betamax wrote:duh, read the context of my response to Clam. Even you #VERIFIED that the Canucks had a #WINNING record against the California teams during their back to back years.
They had a winning record against virtually everyone, if you're unable to see the significance of the Canucks struggles against their future divisional opponents in comparison to their record against the rest of the league, I don't really know what to say to that.

As for making myself useful :roll: in your thread, I guess I could go dig up some youtube clips to support your claim that sometimes people get hit by shots and then end up injured as a result..

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Re: All-Encompassing Coaching/Shot Blocking Discussion!!!

Post by Betamax » Tue May 20, 2014 2:04 pm

dbr wrote:
Betamax wrote:duh, read the context of my response to Clam. Even you #VERIFIED that the Canucks had a #WINNING record against the California teams during their back to back years.
They had a winning record against virtually everyone, if you're unable to see the significance of the Canucks struggles against their future divisional opponents in comparison to their record against the rest of the league, I don't really know what to say to that.
duh, read the context of my reply. It was to Clam and his point. It's pretty easy to extrapolate that their point totals were going to decline, given the quality of competition and aging core with little change ... so I didn't exactly see the point of you replying in the first place.
As for making myself useful :roll: in your thread, I guess I could go dig up some youtube clips to support your claim that sometimes people get hit by shots and then end up injured as a result..
Nah, in that instance, you could just re-quote Canucks' Legend, Pat Quinn who cited Canucks' Mike Burnstein, Head Athletic Trainer on said injuries due to shot blocking:
“During the first part of the year, (the Canucks) played (their) veterans until their noses were bleeding, and then we started to hit the injuries. I talked to (team doctor) Mike Bernstein and he said the injuries are terrible. He said so many of them are coming from the blocked shots and they’re fractures, and they’re not easily healed.”
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Re: All-Encompassing Coaching/Shot Blocking Discussion!!!

Post by Rumsfeld » Tue May 20, 2014 2:10 pm

Watching Danny's half-hearted flamingo attempts was one of the best/worst parts of last season for me.

Torts :lol:
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Re: All-Encompassing Coaching/Shot Blocking Discussion!!!

Post by Betamax » Tue May 20, 2014 3:06 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:Watching Danny's half-hearted flamingo attempts was one of the best/worst parts of last season for me.

Torts :lol:
LOL ... Yeah ... when you have plumbing problems with your sink, you call upon your plumber not your psychiatrist. 8-)

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Re: All-Encompassing Coaching/Shot Blocking Discussion!!!

Post by Rumsfeld » Tue May 20, 2014 3:10 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Betamax wrote:
Strangelove wrote: "Vigneault, meanwhile, is making a case for being the best coach in the NHL this season."


Wrong (Babcock, Cooper, and Roy are the 3 finalists for the Jack Adams coach-of-the-year Award)
duh, the context in which Mr. Shuker made those comments could be identified with his follow-up paragraph which you curiously didn't include:

"If the criteria for the Jack Adams Award included the playoffs, which is what we do at here at The Hockey News for our annual awards, Vigneault would be the frontrunner, if not the runaway winner. He’s taken what looks like a middling Rangers roster on paper and turned it into a Stanley Cup contender on the ice with the same philosophy that brought him and the Canucks so much success, and almost a Stanley Cup, in Vancouver."
So AV could make a case if the criteria were changed... maybe?? :lol:

Wrong. (the writers of THN would disagree with their fledgling editor and have him horsewhipped)

"He’s taken what looks like a middling Rangers roster" :lol:

UMMM.. isn't this the same core that, in the previous 2 seasons, "Fonzie" won 3 rounds with??

ISN'T IT??!! :evil:

:lol:
Betamax wrote:
Strangelove wrote: AV has a shelf-life and it had expired in Vancouver, just as it will in New York eventually.
All coaches have a shelf life. Some longer than others as we've seen here.
UMMMM this is not a good example of Mr Tortorella's shelf-life.

Mr Tortorella's shelf-life is generally 4.5 - 8 years.

But yours truly is glad that YOU (seemingly) agree with yours truly that AV's shelf-life in Vcr was PASSED DUE.
Betamax wrote:
Strangelove wrote: I'm predicting that a hundred years from now all anyone will care about is

... Torts won the Stanley Cup and AV didn't. 8-)
Well, I don't give a fuck that he won and it's two decades later, in 2014 ... let alone a hundred years from now.
Wait... so YOU are saying that Tortsy has been an NHL head coach for "TWO DECADES"

.... and he's won the Stanley Cup?? :shock:

That's AWESOME dude! :thumbs:
Betamax wrote: It's a what the fuck did he do to make this team better? Only positive I see was this:

6th overall pick. That is his positive legacy.
Well maybe YOUR Vancouver Canucks should have given this CHAMPION a little more time then EH?

Surprised you missed the part where Johnny T gave this team a kick in the posterior they'll NEVER forget. :hmmm:

After all, exactly one year ago, most Canuck fans were SCREAMING for dat dere!

We should all be sure then to give Mr T... FULL CREDIT... for said kick... MOVING FORWARD.
Betamax wrote: On a side note, who the HELL cares that the Leaves have won the Stanley Cup back in '67 ... when there were only six teams' competing for it? LOL.
Only Leaf fans.

By way of contrast, surely EVERYONE admires Tortsy for winning the Cup exactly 10 years ago

.... in a 30-team league with a $34m payroll (average team payroll was $48m)!!!

ACTUALLY when you THINK ABOUT IT he's more like a GOD than a man!
Um, what are you guys talking about?

I was over at Bountiful and according to them Marty Gelinas scored in game 6 against Tampa, sealing their second Stanley Cup.

You should get your facts straight.

Also, the Bruins 2011 Stanley Cup was somehow the Flames' THIRD Stanley Cup! Weird right? :eh:
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Re: All-Encompassing Coaching/Shot Blocking Discussion!!!

Post by Betamax » Tue May 20, 2014 4:42 pm

Systems Analyst: How the Rangers used the Canadiens forecheck against them
Justin Bourne
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12:12 PM

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/505597

Here's a quote from the article:
The Rangers have been a pretty tough nut to crack when they’ve played with a lead, particularly over their five-game, post-season winning streak. In Game 2 the Canadiens found themselves knotted at one after a well-played period that saw Henrik Lundqvist shut the door. There was a draw in the offensive zone, their third line of René Bourque, Lars Eller and Brian Gionta was on the ice, and they were hungry to take the lead heading into the second period.

Unfortunately, Rangers coach Alain Vigneault out-foxed them: I have no doubt he watched tape to figure out how the Canadiens like to forecheck their o-zone lost draws, and added this wrinkle.

Let’s take a look at how his club beat the forecheck before scoring the game-winning goal.

Article in the link above has several screencaps and video of the glorious goal by HMCS Nash:



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Re: All-Encompassing Coaching/Shot Blocking Discussion!!!

Post by Strangelove » Tue May 20, 2014 9:35 pm

Betamax wrote:
Strangelove wrote: So AV could make a case if the criteria were changed... maybe?? :lol:

Wrong. (the writers of THN would disagree with their fledgling editor and have him horsewhipped)
duh, yeah ... if the criteria included the Playoffs, would The Golden Kid be the Hart Trophy favourite? What say you? 8-)
IF

If you and that fledgling editor didn't have you heads so far up AV's butt you'd be able to see much better. :mrgreen:
Betamax wrote: duh, yeah with the same core that didn't want to play for him and wanted him out in their exit interviews ....
Wait... are you talking about JT or AV?

And have you always been this much of a rumourmongerer? :hmmm:
Betamax wrote: Well, it all depended on what they wanted to do. Make significant changes to player personnel (which would have been difficult given the Salary Cap situation and NTC/NMC) or make a change in Coaching. The organization made a decision that was easier to make. It's a lot easier to fire and hire a new coach vs. making significant roster changes. Unfortunately, the hired the wrong coach for the the type of roster they had.
Wait... are you talking about the Canucks or the Rangers?

And hey... cool story bro. :mex:
Betamax wrote: Whether it's a decade ago, or two ... who here, besides you, gives a fuck?
UMMMM.... EXCUSE ME... but I THINK this is EXACTLY what we have been discussing!

(coaches looking good before their "expiry date").
Betamax wrote: Furthermore, I would say that Feaster is credited with being the architect of that 2004 Stanley Cup as well ... does that have equity with you?

All I know is that Feaster fucked things up with the ROR offer sheet and I don't care what he did a decade ago, it's a performance based business predicated on "what for you done for me lately" ...
Yeah... IF... this was a "who looks good TODAY" discussion YOU WOULD WIN!!

But of course... UMMMMMM... it ain't! :thumbs:

Feaster acquired significant brain damage whilst celebrating JT's STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONSHIP in 2004.

LOOK AT ME, I'm rumourmongering WEEEEEEEEEeeeeeee!!!!

UMMMM is that how it's done?? :scowl:
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Re: All-Encompassing Coaching/Shot Blocking Discussion!!!

Post by Strangelove » Tue May 20, 2014 9:36 pm

Betamax wrote: If ownership/Michael D. Gillis decided to retain AV, they would have had to make significant turnover to the roster. Similar to the position the Sharks are in this off-season to avoid a "P.R." headache. That would mean in part, being assholes to certain core members with NTC/NMC ... Michael D. Gillis didn't want to be an asshole to his core guys.
Cool story bro. :mex:
Betamax wrote: Hiring Fonzie was the wrong move. Do you dispute that? 8-)
UMMMM as much as the Great Strangelove hates to quote himself:

"Johnny T gave this team a kick in the posterior they'll NEVER forget

We should all be sure then to give Mr T... FULL CREDIT... for said kick... MOVING FORWARD."


UMMMM what part of that did you NOT understand the first time around. :twisted:
Betamax wrote: can we assume the other parts of his article you, duh, conveniently excluded in your replies, you believe Mr. Shuker was the mayor of RIGHTVILLE in those instances? :D
UMMMM he MIGHT have got the date right. :scowl:
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Betamax wrote: UMMMM if Gillis had the buyout wouldn't that make your man WRONG?

Wouldn't it be exactly as I said (somewhere between $1.7m and $9.7m) (depending on Torts being re-hired)?

THINK ABOUT IT :mex:
duh, you are making an assumption that Fonzie will be re-hired during the four remaining on his contract.
UMMMMM..... NOPE!

I made allowances for that, READ IT AGAIN.

My statement is correct, whereas your man's "$8m - $16m" was DEAD WRONG. :evil: :twisted: :evil:

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Re: All-Encompassing Coaching/Shot Blocking Discussion!!!

Post by Strangelove » Tue May 20, 2014 9:38 pm

Betamax wrote: LOL ... Yeah ... when you have plumbing problems with your sink, you call upon your plumber not your psychiatrist. 8-)
Unless of course there is nothing wrong with your sink.

THINK ABOUT IT
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Post by Strangelove » Tue May 20, 2014 9:41 pm

Betamax wrote:Systems Analyst: How the Rangers used the Canadiens forecheck against them
Justin Bourne
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12:12 PM

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/505597
Who the fuck is Justin Bourne and why the fuck would anyone give a fuck about his fucking hockey opinions? :mex:

LOL what is it with YOU and YOUR SINK and YOUR fascination with fledgling editors??!! :lol:

If I may be so bold as to ask....
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Re: All-Encompassing Coaching/Shot Blocking Discussion!!!

Post by Rumsfeld » Tue May 20, 2014 9:51 pm

Strangelove wrote:LOL what is it with YOU and YOUR SINK and YOUR fascination with fledgling editors??!! :lol:
I know, that's what I hate about cyberbullies like Per.

He's always quoting people and bringing up stuff you said and shit.
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Post by Strangelove » Tue May 20, 2014 9:55 pm

Rumsfeld wrote: I know, that's what I hate about cyberbullies like Per.

He's always quoting people and bringing up stuff you said and shit.
Yeah... fucking Per.

It's a good thing we're stoned on pain-killers and muscle-relaxants right buds? :thumbs:
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