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Torts... might... have been a bit too much of a good thing.Betamax wrote: duh, like what the Canucks have right now? How did THAT turn out?
Can there be a reason that, you learn from your past experiences? The article you cited was duh, two decades ago. So, Coach (at the time of this post) Torts talks about forgetting about what happened back in 2011, yet you bring up an op/ed from two decades ago. As what Jennifer Mathers said when she made her one and only appearance on TEAM 1040 radio, "Let it go, dave ... Let it go."dbr wrote:Regarding Pierre McGuire there's a reason he was canned in Hartford and basically rode out of town on a rail (see here), there's a reason he couldn't get another coaching or management job in the NHL after that and there's a reason the only other team who took a chance on him in that capacity, an ECHL club based in Baton Rouge, didn't bother renewing his contract after a single season.
He just pratted Jennifer!!Betamax wrote: As what Jennifer Mathers said when she made her one and only appearance on TEAM 1040 radio, "Let it go, dave ... Let it go."
AFAIK, I think she's still married to Burke. I wouldn't want to suggest otherwise. I've heard that spreading unfounded "rumors" could get you into cyber libel, eh?Strangelove wrote:He just pratted Jennifer!!Betamax wrote: As what Jennifer Mathers said when she made her one and only appearance on TEAM 1040 radio, "Let it go, dave ... Let it go."
So she's back to "Jennifer Mather" again eh... interesting... INTERESTING
Indeed. I know you're just looking to cause a stir with this particular line of thought so I'm having a really hard time giving a response to this my full attention but Current Coach John Tortorella was talking about reading the writing on the wall at this time rather than allowing not so recent events to colour one's perspective.Betamax wrote:Can there be a reason that, you learn from your past experiences? The article you cited was duh, two decades ago. So, Coach (at the time of this post) Torts talks about forgetting about what happened back in 2011, yet you bring up an op/ed from two decades ago. As what Jennifer Mathers said when she made her one and only appearance on TEAM 1040 radio, "Let it go, dave ... Let it go."dbr wrote:Regarding Pierre McGuire there's a reason he was canned in Hartford and basically rode out of town on a rail (see here), there's a reason he couldn't get another coaching or management job in the NHL after that and there's a reason the only other team who took a chance on him in that capacity, an ECHL club based in Baton Rouge, didn't bother renewing his contract after a single season.
I don't really follow the NFL. But any idiot can go scan his Wikpedia page and see that he coached in that league for a decade prior to becoming a head coach and that after his first stint he continued to get coaching jobs in that league and even another head coaching job in New England, where his eventual termination was talked about in the terms of being one of the toughest decisions Robert Kraft had to make up to that point, "a lot of things were going on that made it difficult for him to stay, some of which were out of his control," etc.BTW, I don't know if you follow the NFL but Coach Carroll didn't exactly shine during his first stint in the NFL.
Well, dave, based upon my previous dealings with you, you typically don't seem to give anything your "full attention" i.e. like when you and your hf buddy 'Proto' got exposed for who two really are in the 'shot blocking' debate.dbr wrote:Indeed. I know you're just looking to cause a stir with this particular line of thought so I'm having a really hard time giving a response to this my full attention but Current Coach John Tortorella was talking about reading the writing on the wall at this time rather than allowing not so recent events to colour one's perspective.Betamax wrote:Can there be a reason that, you learn from your past experiences? The article you cited was duh, two decades ago. So, Coach (at the time of this post) Torts talks about forgetting about what happened back in 2011, yet you bring up an op/ed from two decades ago. As what Jennifer Mathers said when she made her one and only appearance on TEAM 1040 radio, "Let it go, dave ... Let it go."dbr wrote:Regarding Pierre McGuire there's a reason he was canned in Hartford and basically rode out of town on a rail (see here), there's a reason he couldn't get another coaching or management job in the NHL after that and there's a reason the only other team who took a chance on him in that capacity, an ECHL club based in Baton Rouge, didn't bother renewing his contract after a single season.
What has Pierre done in the past two decades? Probably watched and analysed as many hockey games at the amateur and pro level ... many at ice level, then probably anyone I can think off hand.What about recent events indicates that Pierre McGuire is a more suitable coaching candidate than any of the hundreds of coaches currently working (or having worked in the last decade or so) for a North American hockey team?
If the Canucks core is "stale" what are Pierre's qualifications? Mouldering?
Well, how qualified do you believe you would have been two decades ago, in terms of hockey acumen vis-a-vis communicating your thoughts on "hockey issues" on a hockey messageboard, and how much in your opinion, do you believed you have grown since then?By the way if you read the article it is not exactly an op-ed, unless you have reason to believe this reporter is lying it appears he spoke to over 20 individuals in the organization about McGuire to reach his conclusions.
At any rate you can attempt to undermine my position by saying the article is from "two decades ago" but the fact that one has to go back that far to find information about McGuire as a coach speaks volumes to the half-bakedness of the notion that he should be behind the bench of a professional hockey team in 2014.
Yep I sure did make a mistake that one time. It must get better and better each time nailing me to the wall on a simple error that I just can't bring myself to take accountability for..Betamax wrote:Well, dave, based upon my previous dealings with you, you typically don't seem to give anything your "full attention" i.e. like when you and your hf buddy 'Proto' got exposed for who two really are in the 'shot blocking' debate.dbr wrote:Indeed. I know you're just looking to cause a stir with this particular line of thought so I'm having a really hard time giving a response to this my full attention but Current Coach John Tortorella was talking about reading the writing on the wall at this time rather than allowing not so recent events to colour one's perspective.
BTW, did you finally read those two shot blocking "studies" by Charron and Dellow? LOL.
Cool, sounds like he would make an excellent scout or consultant. What makes him a decent coach, or at least gives some pause to reconsider the well documented cases of interpersonal issues he's had (that ended his coaching career)?What has Pierre done in the past two decades? Probably watched and analysed as many hockey games at the amateur and pro level ... many at ice level, then probably anyone I can think off hand.What about recent events indicates that Pierre McGuire is a more suitable coaching candidate than any of the hundreds of coaches currently working (or having worked in the last decade or so) for a North American hockey team?
If the Canucks core is "stale" what are Pierre's qualifications? Mouldering?
I think the last twenty years have covered a pretty different part of my life than they have of Pierre's. Moreover, coaching an NHL franchise is something that few individuals ever get a chance to do, nevermind a second or third chance. This makes a comparison to hockey message board posting (which as the events of Saturday April 12 2014 at approximately 1:45 PM Pacific Daylight time show, is open to virtually anyone) tenuous to say the least.Well, how qualified do you believe you would have been two decades ago, in terms of hockey acumen vis-a-vis communicating your thoughts on "hockey issues" on a hockey messageboard, and how much in your opinion, do you believed you have grown since then?By the way if you read the article it is not exactly an op-ed, unless you have reason to believe this reporter is lying it appears he spoke to over 20 individuals in the organization about McGuire to reach his conclusions.
At any rate you can attempt to undermine my position by saying the article is from "two decades ago" but the fact that one has to go back that far to find information about McGuire as a coach speaks volumes to the half-bakedness of the notion that he should be behind the bench of a professional hockey team in 2014.
Disappointed Hank?Hank wrote:Such civility and reasoned arguments.
Is this what this place is coming to?
"I'm a firm believer in second chances, and if we're going to go through life not giving anyone second chances, what kind of life are we going to have?"dbr wrote:Cool, sounds like he would make an excellent scout or consultant. What makes him a decent coach, or at least gives some pause to reconsider the well documented cases of interpersonal issues he's had (that ended his coaching career)?
Okay ... one thing that doesn't bode well for a Mcguire hire ... is that there is precedent in Pro Sports for a prominent and respected broadcaster to turn into a Pro Sports Executive.Betamax wrote:BTW, in a follow-up post back in February 11th, 2014 ... I wrote the following:
Okay ... I'll throw out one MONSTER possibility ...
Extremely positive personality and a good communicator. Has a strong hockey scouting background (well, he's has been featured on virtually every TSN Draft Preview Show that I can remember). One anecdote, I think he was going nuts on teams that were bypassing Zach Parise during the 2003 NHL Entry Draft. His Coaching record, well as a head coach isn't that impressive but he is at least a two time Stanley Cup Champion as a Scout and Assistant Coach with the Pittsburg Penguins. Also,his role as a ice-level hockey analyst for NBC gives him a perspective on the current players that others vying for a GM and/or possibly Coaching role doesn't have to opportunity to take advantage of.
He might be more suited for just a GM role but I don't think he could do any worse than what the Canucks have right now in Coaching if he was given a duo role as both GM/Coach or one as a Coach where he has significant input on player personnel decisions (somewhat similar to the authority Patrick Roy has with the Avs).
The only thing I'm not sure of is, will this hire, be a smashing success or epic failure -- but how would we know if he isn't given a chance either here or elsewhere?
Detroit Lions management
In 2001, Millen left broadcasting to assume the job of the Detroit Lions' CEO and de facto general manager. At that time, Millen had no prior player development or front office experience.
Millen was the Lions' CEO for seven full seasons, from 2001–07; during that time, the club compiled a record of 31-81 (with at least nine losses each season). Detroit's .277 winning percentage was among the worst ever compiled by an NFL team over a seven-year period; only the Chicago Cardinals of 1939-45 (10-61-3, .141) and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of 1983-89 (26-86, .234) were less successful.
During the early part of Millen's tenure (2001–2003), the Lions failed to win a road game for three years (0–24) before opening the season with a win at the Chicago Bears in 2004. Overall, the Lions are 8–50 on the road since 2001.[11] Millen himself admitted to an interviewer in 2008 that the team's record under his leadership has been "beyond awful".[12] The Wall Street Journal said that NFL executives admit in private that Millen "has made more bad draft decisions than anyone else in two centuries".[13]
