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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Betamax » Tue May 06, 2014 1:42 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Betamax wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^what a crock of shit ^^^^^^^^^^^^


YOU MAD, BRO?



Yes just furious can't you tell ? :roll: Just think its amusing the king of sock puppets or is whining about other people perhaps using differnet handles. :)


What exactly are you implying Blob?
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Betamax » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:02 pm

Back on Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:44 pm:

Betamax wrote:
Mondi wrote:How upset is Tony G about all this?! Wow, he's finally lost his inside source, he pissed, and it's obvious.


IMO, the media member that's probably most upset about the "Axe" falling on GMMG is Bruce Dowbiggin. He has a book scheduled to be released this October 07, 2014 on the Vancouver Canucks under former GMMG.

via: http://www.randomhouse.com/book/222289/ ... -dowbiggin


The Vancouver Canucks Pursuit of Hockey Excellence
Written by Bruce Dowbiggin

Synopsis

With unprecedented access to the Vancouver Canuck's General Manager, Mike Gillis, best-selling sports writer Bruce Dowbiggin provides a thorough investigation into one of hockey's most unique organizations.

Entering the league as part of the NHL's 1970 expansion, the Canucks have steadily built their organization into one of the best teams to play for in professional hockey. The ownership and the talented general manager, Mike Gillis, set out to develop an exciting, player-first franchise, in the process allowing Gillis to acquire top-tier talent at less than market value--all because the athletes were so eager to play for Vancouver. Further improvements, such as a state-of-the-art dressing room, personal nutritionists, skills experts, sleep specialists and a world-class medical team, have meant that the Canucks have the best team in the league, both on- and off-ice. And the club's new mandate has resulted in incredible success on the ice. Leading up to the 2013 playoffs, the Canucks played with focus and consistency, and they looked like they would again be a contender.... Shockingly, they were ousted after a first round ousting in four straight games.

Once the most disciplined team in the NHL, the Canucks 2014 season has seen them become the most penalized team in the league--playing a much more physical game as they have struggled to win. Best Practices not only shares with fans how the Canucks climbed their way to the top of the NHL, but also how they have addressed their drastic change in situation.

Best Practices shares an exciting narrative that includes detailed personal interviews with Mike Gillis and offers all fans of the game a behind-the-curtain look at the business of sport, the strategy of sport and the constant changes that professional sports clubs face.

The hockey world has followed the same path for decades -- but when those strategies continue to generate the same results, it is time to think differently. The rules haven't changed and the governance is the same, but how Canucks General Manager, Mike Gillis, has worked differently within the system is the truly unique story of the Vancouver Canucks.


Needless to say, Dowbiggin was not impressed with what happened to GMMG, especially with the timing of book's future release.


FYI, The book has seemingly found a new publisher and new title ...... for obvious reasons.

via: http://greystonebooks.com/book_details. ... 1771641319

Ice Storm
The Rise and Fall of the Greatest Vancouver Canucks Team Ever
by Bruce Dowbiggin
CDN $21.95 (PBK)
Forthcoming Title

An incendiary inside look at the Canucks' meteoric rise to the top of the NHL and their dramatic post-riot fall to mediocrity—all at a time when new efforts are being launched to save the once-great team.

In 2008, the Vancouver Canucks were Team Modern, revolutionizing the NHL under their new GM, former player agent Mike Gillis. Cool, calculating, and unsparing with the media, the onetime number one draft pick of the old Colorado Rockies swept away the tangled psychological past of the Canucks with bold innovation, remodeling Vancouver as a destination city for NHL star players. To do so, he built the Canucks from a non-playoff team in 2008 to the best in hockey from 2010-2012. He modernized the players' diets and psychological approach, he rebuilt the dressing room, and he sought sleep consultants to help with the Canucks' punishing travel schedule. More than that, his winning team lifted Vancouver from eighth overall in NHL revenues to second by 2013. When the team took to the ice for Game 7 of the 2011 Cup Final, it seemed there was nothing the Canucks couldn't overcome with their "Canucktivity" approach. The hockey world was at their feet.

But things changed in Game 7. Physically exhausted and bullied by the Bruins, the Canucks succumbed 4-0. To cap the greatest season in team history, Vancouver rioted. Gillis tried a number of aggressive moves to get back to the Final, from switching Luongo for Schneider to trading players, but nothing worked. From there, the dominoes fell: Alain Vigneault was dismissed, John Tortorella hired; Tortorella raged, fans bayed for Gillis' head; and finally, Gillis and Tortorella were both fired. In spring 2014, tried-and-true Canuck hero Trevor Linden was installed as president, with former teammate Jim Benning by his side as GM. No one was quite sure if this was an improvement, but at least the hysterical screaming had stopped.

How did it happen? Ice Storm follows the journey that led the Canucks from the top of the mountain to the bottom of the abyss in six short years.


Dowbiggin is one of the members of the sports media that was a staunch supporter of the Michael D. Gillis' way of management during his tenure with the Canucks. :mex:
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby the Dogsalmon » Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:27 pm

Thank God gillis is gone...
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Vader » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:18 pm

Good article on Gillis' firing
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Jovocop » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:35 pm

Gillis made it plain that first day he was inheriting a mess and that the Canucks had a long way to go until they became a competitive team. That mess, by the way, included all the key pieces that got the Canucks to consecutive Presidents’ Trophy victories and one win away from the 2011 Stanley Cup final. The Sedins, Ryan Kesler, Alex Burrows, Alex Edler, Roberto Luongo, even the young up-and-coming goaltending talent, Cory Schneider, were all already in the Canucks organization, when Gillis took over from Dave Nonis, who had previously replaced Brian Burke.

The Canucks had missed the playoffs that year after tantalizing fans with a 105-point season the year before – and the mood then was the same as now: How to keep a disenchanted fan base happy. The Aquilini family can’t be happy to see all those empty seats in the lower bowl for the last couple of games and if that’s a sign that season-ticket renewals aren’t as robust as in previous years, then that’s worrisome.

But most worrisome of all has to be the reality of Gillis’s moves as a general manager. He failed repeatedly to fill in the necessary supporting pieces, when the primary tools were already in place. What exactly will be his legacy? Signing Pavol Demitra, one of his former clients, as a free agent back in 2008? Signing Mats Sundin? His signature moment has to be one of two transactions – getting Dan Hamhuis to leave Nashville and sign with the Canucks as a free agent in 2010, or acquiring Christian Ehrhoff in a San Jose Sharks’ salary dump in 2009. But Hamhuis wanted to come home, so that transaction needs an asterisk. It’s the same as Zach Parise and Ryan Suter wanting to go to Minnesota for family reasons or Scott Niedermayer joining the Ducks in 2005 so he could play with his brother Rob. That’s an accident of geography, not astute planning. In Ehrhoff’s case, they got two good seasons out of him before the Canucks let him go for salary-cap reasons of their own.

And that really was it.

On the other side of the ledger, he managed to take a position of strength, goaltending, and turn it into a position of weakness. The moves to acquire, among others, the likes of David Booth, Derek Roy, Max Lapierre and others or sign Jason Garrison to a big-money contract blew up in his face. And the net effect of the passing of the years without a championship is that the Sedins got older, Burrows and Kesler became more brittle, Edler seems to have lost his confidence and Luongo and Schneider are playing for the Florida Panthers and the New Jersey Devils respectively. And the only player they’ve drafted in the past six years playing regularly in the NHL is Cody Hodgson, who they traded away to the Buffalo Sabres for Zach Kassian, still a work in progress.


I am not defending Gillis because he did make some mistakes as the GM of the Canucks. However, this article was kind of cherry picking. I have a feeling that Dutatschek is a big Burke & Nonis supporter.

1. Is missing playoffs twice in three years not considered a mess??

2. Samuelsson, 30 goals in 09/10?? Malhotra? Tanev?? Higgins?? Lapierre?? These were solid signings and trades.

3. Lapierre centred the third line during the 2011 run and scored an important goal in Game 5 vs. Boston. How could that be a bad trade??

4. Should a GM be responsible for a player losing his confidence??

5. Did Luongo not ask for a trade to the Panthers???

6. Is Cody Hodgson not a work in progress??? Kassian might not outscore Hodgson. However, I would still take Kassian over Hodgson any day any time.
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Hockey Widow » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:59 pm

A friend told me that there was a group of GMs, Nonis and BB included, that absolutely hated Gillis going back to his player agent days. He was a prick to deal with and this particular group detested him. When he took over the Canucks, and how he took over the Canucks, this group of GMs were determined to see him fail. So much so that there were deliberate attempts to try and run interference on trades he was trying to work out with other GMs. They would use disinformation, call up and make trade talk for the same players he was after, leak trade talks, and even tried to bully a few of the younger GMs.

There was a hate on for the guy and a prediction that he would be out of the league within 5 years. One bold GM said he would make his mission to see the SOB fail.

I don't have any specific details, just the above. But he found it almost impossible in the last two years to get any trades done. This interference was played out in front of the hockey world surrounding the whole Luongo fiasco.

I think he gets a bad rap in all of this. For sure he made some bad moves. For sure he waited too long to move Luongo. But he did make some good moves, good pick ups and got our FAs to take hometown discounts, NTC notwithstanding. He was far from perfect but he was not as terrible as some want us to believe.
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:19 pm

Only the clowns like Dogsemen , Pauser and the other dude sock puppets like Bersnoozi slam Eye Bags . He was a decent to middling GM . Anyone who says otherwise is a retard or someone with an agenda .
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Arachnid » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:51 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:A friend told me that there was a group of GMs, Nonis and BB included, that absolutely hated Gillis going back to his player agent days. He was a prick to deal with and this particular group detested him. When he took over the Canucks, and how he took over the Canucks, this group of GMs were determined to see him fail. So much so that there were deliberate attempts to try and run interference on trades he was trying to work out with other GMs. They would use disinformation, call up and make trade talk for the same players he was after, leak trade talks, and even tried to bully a few of the younger GMs.

There was a hate on for the guy and a prediction that he would be out of the league within 5 years. One bold GM said he would make his mission to see the SOB fail.

I don't have any specific details, just the above. But he found it almost impossible in the last two years to get any trades done. This interference was played out in front of the hockey world surrounding the whole Luongo fiasco.

I think he gets a bad rap in all of this. For sure he made some bad moves. For sure he waited too long to move Luongo. But he did make some good moves, good pick ups and got our FAs to take hometown discounts, NTC notwithstanding. He was far from perfect but he was not as terrible as some want us to believe.


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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby dangler » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:42 pm

I assume offer sheeting Backes didn't help his popularity amongst other Gm's either
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby BladesofSteel » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:02 pm

Bullying tactics?

Like how when Mike Gillis bullied Glen Sather into forking over $18.45 mil for an aging/idling Bobby Holik?

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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Lancer » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:09 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:A friend told me that there was a group of GMs, Nonis and BB included, that absolutely hated Gillis going back to his player agent days. He was a prick to deal with and this particular group detested him. When he took over the Canucks, and how he took over the Canucks, this group of GMs were determined to see him fail. So much so that there were deliberate attempts to try and run interference on trades he was trying to work out with other GMs. They would use disinformation, call up and make trade talk for the same players he was after, leak trade talks, and even tried to bully a few of the younger GMs.

There was a hate on for the guy and a prediction that he would be out of the league within 5 years. One bold GM said he would make his mission to see the SOB fail.

I don't have any specific details, just the above. But he found it almost impossible in the last two years to get any trades done. This interference was played out in front of the hockey world surrounding the whole Luongo fiasco.

I think he gets a bad rap in all of this. For sure he made some bad moves. For sure he waited too long to move Luongo. But he did make some good moves, good pick ups and got our FAs to take hometown discounts, NTC notwithstanding. He was far from perfect but he was not as terrible as some want us to believe.


Whatever is said of what he did or didn't do during his GM tenure, this could have been one of the most damning problems he had and it was something over which he had little control. Not sure if he did much to change that anyway.

No doubt this factored into the search for a new GM - Benning has paid his dues in management, has connections and appears to enjoy general good standing among his peers.

Kind of sad as fans to have watched two seasons of futility, largely because of something that was beyond Gillis' control while he was GM. :(
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Hockey Widow » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:21 pm

BladesofSteel wrote:Bullying tactics?

Like how when Mike Gillis bullied Glen Sather into forking over $18.45 mil for an aging/idling Bobby Holik?

Moving on.



Like I said, he was a prick to deal with as a player agent and made few friends in the GM fraternity. And Sather was one of that fraternity by the way, that detested him.

I think due diligence by an owner or president means you need to know the personality of the guy you hire and what impact his reputation and or relationships will have on his ability to perform his job. This one is on the water boy and I agree he didn't make the same mistake twice when he brought the prodigal son back.

For the most part I always supported MG but by the end I was glad he was gone.
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby griz » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:14 pm

Arachnid wrote:I gots no respects for those that would waste valuable life energy on the misery of others...karma baby, she's a bitch and will come back in spades even when you think you got away with something' 8-)


Well put Spidey.
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Strangelove » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:29 pm

griz wrote:
Arachnid wrote:I gots no respects for those that would waste valuable life energy on the misery of others...karma baby, she's a bitch and will come back in spades even when you think you got away with something' 8-)


Well put Spidey.


"punt Spidey"??

PUNT SPIDEY??!! :shock:

You think the "axe falling" on Spidey would be... "karma"?

(or as the Bible calls it: "The Law of Sowing and Reaping") :mex:

As for Mike Gillis... Twas the Old Boys Club killed the beast.
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby RoyalDude » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:32 pm

The moral of the story? Do not hire an arrogant/asshole players agent to be your GM who is universally hated by GMs. Gillis was one of the most despised Players agents in the game prior to his hiring.

I know the builder who built Pat Quinn's house and the builder who renovated Gillis house. Builder for Quinn "nicest client he's ever had". Builder for the Gillis house. "Fucking assholes".

I did a deck job for a guy in Shaunessay. He knew Gillis and didn't have to many nice things to say about him, like everyone else says - has no time for anyone, extremely unfriendly and arrogant.

You dont throw the previous GM under the bus at your press conference hiring. Linden scooping the job from him, whom is good friends with Quinn who is good friends with Burke who is good friends with Nonis is karma, baby

It's concerning that my good friend Blobby beer guts Mckenzies likes Ontario boy - Gillis like Tony Gallagher likes Gillis and hates BC boy - Nonis
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