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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Strangelove » Thu May 01, 2014 3:47 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:
Strangelove wrote:^^^ WHOA, shades of George McPhee! :crazy:

GMMG was a lot like GMGM?



This was brought up before, and before my time. What did McPhee do?


ALLEGEDLY McPhee was the kind of manipulator you describe above (planting stories, telling lies).

In his book, Bure made some accusations...

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You could say all GMs do these things to some extent, but some of them cross the line...
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby herb » Thu May 01, 2014 3:50 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:This was brought up before, and before my time. What did McPhee do?


Both guys panicked after playoff disappointments and figured the only way to be successful was to totally change their team's style of play. In both cases their team looked lost after a new style they weren't suited for was implemented, performed woefully and both GMs lost their jobs.
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby donlever » Thu May 01, 2014 3:53 pm

Strangelove wrote:
You could say all GMs do these things to some extent, but some of them cross the line...


Georgie boy has a little Torts in his act as well apparently.

On September 25, 1999, McPhee, angry at what he perceived to be dirty play by the Chicago Blackhawks, punched then Blackhawks head coach Lorne Molleken outside the Chicago locker room after their teams' exhibition game. Molleken sustained injuries to his head and in response Blackhawks players and team aides jumped McPhee, leaving him with a torn suit. On October 1, 1999, Gary Bettman, the NHL commissioner, suspended McPhee for a month without pay and fined him $20,000.
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby SKYO » Thu May 01, 2014 3:59 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Hearing Kesler did not ask for a trade but did express his frustration at the lack of depth and basically laid a challenge down. Make the moves that show the team is contending if you want me to commit here long term. Not asking or demanding a trade, just expressing his deep dissatisfaction and wanted to see the club make the moves to bring in depth.

That got leaked as Kesler asking for a trade. It is believed that that came from a MG orchestrated leak.


Yeah Mike Gillis using his agent skills...once an agent-always an agent I suppose.

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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Strangelove » Thu May 01, 2014 4:14 pm

donlever wrote:Georgie boy has a little Torts in his act as well apparently.

On September 25, 1999, McPhee, angry at what he perceived to be dirty play by the Chicago Blackhawks, punched then Blackhawks head coach Lorne Molleken outside the Chicago locker room after their teams' exhibition game. Molleken sustained injuries to his head and in response Blackhawks players and team aides jumped McPhee, leaving him with a torn suit. On October 1, 1999, Gary Bettman, the NHL commissioner, suspended McPhee for a month without pay and fined him $20,000.


Yes Georgie Boy put on quite an exhibition! :mex:

$20,000 tee hee
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu May 01, 2014 5:38 pm

Thanks all for the xplanation and links to threads. Yes this seems to be the MG model of management. Add to that his arrogance and bullish nature it becomes obvious he wore out his welcome.

I also think he had no intension of trading anyone on deadline day but was testing the market and creating a demand. Very similar to how he handled Luongo. More than one GM hinted that something was fishy when all the trade talk got shut down very quickly. A couple even blamed him for the lack of moves because teams were held up waiting for the alleged Vancouver deals to come to fruition. As usuall when all the rumours about who offered what came out MG was quick to dismiss them all, like he did with Luongo. Never a deal offered that he liked or made the team better.

He seems like he was not only a control freak but a real games player and manipulator. If I remember correctly these labels followed him in his player agent days. A lot of planted stories and rumours then too.
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby BurningBeard » Thu May 01, 2014 9:52 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:The trade of Luongo was the identical trade MG. Could have had before last years draft and he had the authority to make the deal, salary hold back and all. But he felt he was not getting fair return for Luongo and was loath to make the deal. His choice in the end. The plan which was conveyed to Luongo was for him to play 1-2 more years in Vancouver, as the number one, bringing Lack along. MG. Believed the market for Luongo would open up more. Not entirely a bad plan.

Torts was well briefed on the situation and on Luongo's delicate ego issues. His handling of the Heritage Classic was unforgivable to MG and ownership and the deal that as on the table at the draft was taken.

I'm willing to cut the guy a lot of slack for some of the bad trades he made, but if this is true boy is that a colossal, unforgivable screw up. I said in the past I found the rumors of "ownership interference" to have occurred at an unusually convenient time. As if they were designed to exonerate Gillis for the Luongo trade. If true, taking the Kesler rumors into account, the guy really starts to look like a scumbag.
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Topper » Thu May 01, 2014 9:53 pm

Don't all teams do this?
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu May 01, 2014 9:57 pm

Ya but MG had a reputation as a player agent and was the fav of a lot of GM's to deal with. I thnk as others have pointed out he may not have a lot of willing suitors as far as trades go, unless he was going to bend over.
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby RoyalDude » Fri May 02, 2014 6:50 am

What happened to all that Gillis love? Hmmm
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby dbr » Fri May 02, 2014 7:13 am

RoyalDude wrote:What happened to all that Gillis love? Hmmm


The love that dare not speak its name :cry:
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby ukcanuck » Fri May 02, 2014 7:48 am

RoyalDude wrote:What happened to all that Gillis love? Hmmm

Love left town with slim and none ...
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Meds » Fri May 02, 2014 8:38 am

RoyalDude wrote:What happened to all that Gillis love? Hmmm


The information now coming out regarding the way Gillis conducted business is certainly troubling and tarnishes what would otherwise have been a decent record as a GM. That being said, Gillis leaves the Canucks and can still be considered one of the top GM's in Canucks history.

IMHO the top 5 are.....

1. Quinn - I don't think anyone will argue that he was the best, for good reason. Built the 1994 team, essentially from the ground up.

2. Burke - Made the moves that brought together the WCE and acquired the Sedins. Failed to support a loaded top 3 forwards and solid top 3 blueline with support and goaltending. Too loyal to guys like Cloutier.

3. Gillis - Supported the existing core with some good trades and UFA signings, re-signed key players, 2 president's trophies, SFC appearance. Over-valued assets, handed out too many NTC's, unwilling to admit his mistakes and rectify them.....and now it appears he's a bit of a douche-bag as it turns out.

4. Gilford - I don't remember too much about him, I was too young, just giving him the nod because of 82 and the fact that he was never let go, promoted and died in his post.

5. Nonis - Other than the Luongo deal he was horrible. Weinrich, Sopel, and Carney? WTF? The Luongo trade redeems him somewhat though.


Neale has to be the absolute worst though. :P
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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby ClamRussel » Fri May 02, 2014 9:11 am

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Re: And So The Axe Falls

Postby Meds » Fri May 02, 2014 9:34 am

Somehow I looked at the names Jake Milford and Jack Gordon and was thinking James Gilford. :eh:

I'm going to make an appointment for some tests now..... :look:
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