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Re: Luongo to Panthers for Markstrom and Mattias

Postby Strangelove » Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:34 pm

The_Pauser wrote:We now have the worst goaltending in the league (given up the most goals against in the league since the trade)


:roll:

Small sample sizes are for small minds.

So then here you go: Old Man Lou is the most injured number one goalie in the league since the trade. :mrgreen:
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Re: Luongo to Panthers for Markstrom and Mattias

Postby Hockey Widow » Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:54 pm

Lack has had a respectable season given the curcumstances. He does not yet inspire the confidence I had when Luongo was in net. But then again Luongo didn't inspire that confidence either in his last two seasons. In his early days you knew if it was tied late we would get at least a point. When we had the third period lead it was as good as 2 points. You just felt comfortable, confident, he would get it done. Can anyone honestly say they had that level of confidence in him these past two seasons, regardless of the circumstances or reasons?

Not a knock, I am a huge Lou fan, just saying that my confidence in him was not as high. When CS was playing I felt he could hold the lead, so too did the Canucks obviously. Before the Lou trade I was beginng to feel that way about Lack, but wasn't at the point I wanted him to be the number one. If the goal was to make the playoffs I still feel this season Luongo gave us a better chance than going with Lack as the starter.

But for the future, the trade was smart. Lack got thrown into the fire and has responded well. He has gained some valuable experience and he knows the net is his to lose next year. Markstrom will have a fresh start here next season and it may well just rejuvenate his career. Going forward i suspect we may very well have some growing pains in net but so far I like what I see. But I also see a young duo who will both be fighting for that number one spot, who seem to be good friends and team guys with little ego problems. Best case scenario, in 2-4 years we have a goalie controversy and have to trade one of them. Worse case, we return to that perennial position of having to score 4-5 goals a game to win. I believe in the former. But then I am an apologist. :mrgreen:
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Re: Luongo to Panthers for Markstrom and Mattias

Postby vic » Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:51 pm

Strangelove wrote:
The_Pauser wrote:We now have the worst goaltending in the league (given up the most goals against in the league since the trade)


:roll:

Small sample sizes are for small minds.

So then here you go: Old Man Lou is the most injured number one goalie in the league since the trade. :mrgreen:


Kassian has 7 points in his last 5 games, which equates to a 114 point season
Crosby has 6 in 5 which equates to a 98 point season.

I'm sure glad we have Kassian over Crosby on the Canucks.
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Re: Luongo to Panthers for Markstrom and Mattias

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:15 pm

The Brown Knight wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:Goaltending is no worse than it was before and it was never good enough to win a cup . Would much rather pay 2.6 million for average goaltending than 9.3 million .


I'll have to disagree here Blob.

Although I have a lot of confidence that one of Lack or Markstrom will become a superb goalie one day, there's no way you can compare them to Luongo/Schneider right now................by implying that our goaltending NOW is just as efficient as it was from 2006-2013.

Pauser wrote:Goaltending sure as hell was good enough for us to win, assuming we had a competent offense which we didn't, but it's more logical to ask more out of a poor offense than it is to ask more out of a goaltender who's terrible at scoring goals.


Pauser is correct here Blob. Luongo and Schneider certainly had a few "chinks in the armour" so to speak, but they gave us pretty good goaltending for the most part. Our losses in 2011, 2012, and 2013 was largely due to our impotent offense.

Our losses in 2009 and 2010? You might have a point there.


You can disagree all you want. You can huff gas with the pauser too...that's ok. Either way the entire team has shit the bed lately and it wouldn't matter which goalie was in net during the last 6 weeks , it wouldn't make any fucking difference.

At this point Luongo is a slightly above average goalie making big money signed for 8 years. Lack/Markstrom are average and improving and are making chump change. If Luongo/Schneider are marginally better who gives a fuck ? The team has much bigger issues than their goaltending atm. Goaltending is about as important as the quality of the 4th line .
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Re: Luongo to Panthers for Markstrom and Mattias

Postby Meds » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:09 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote: At this point Luongo is a slightly above average goalie making big money signed for 8 years. Lack/Markstrom are average and improving and are making chump change. If Luongo/Schneider are marginally better who gives a fuck ? The team has much bigger issues than their goaltending atm. Goaltending is about as important as the quality of the 4th line .


At the beginning of next season Lou will have the 12th highest cap hit among goaltenders. That isn't factoring in what Ryan Miller, Jonas Hiller, and Jaro Halak, will sign for. It's not unthinkable that they end up in the $5.5M range.....Miller will probably be $6M or more. That would dump Lou to 15th. It's just the term that is big.

You're right though, if this team could have scored at even a 2.5+ goal/game pace this year we would probably be sitting around 5th in the West. Goaltending has not been the issue.
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Re: Luongo to Panthers for Markstrom and Mattias

Postby herb » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:46 am

Meds wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:You're right though, if this team could have scored at even a 2.5+ goal/game pace this year we would probably be sitting around 5th in the West. Goaltending has not been the issue.


And if we didn't constantly have defensive gaff after defensive gaff which led to glorious scoring chances for the opposition.
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Re: Luongo to Panthers for Markstrom and Mattias

Postby Meds » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:00 am

herb wrote:
Meds wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:You're right though, if this team could have scored at even a 2.5+ goal/game pace this year we would probably be sitting around 5th in the West. Goaltending has not been the issue.


And if we didn't constantly have defensive gaff after defensive gaff which led to glorious scoring chances for the opposition.


The Canucks have been putting up a GPG of 2.4ish. Even if they hit the 2.6 mark they would still have a negative differential, but they would have added 15 goals to their total and with the way they have lost so many low scoring games that could be the difference of 8 or 9 wins, so that would mean we would be fighting for 6th with LA. And with those extra wins would come a bit of a boost in confidence which often translates into better play all around.....blah blah blah.....all hypotheticals, I know.
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Re: Luongo to Panthers for Markstrom and Mattias

Postby herb » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:59 pm

Am I the only person who thinks it would be hilarious if the Panthers left Florida and moved to Seattle?

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2014/04/broward-debates-bed-tax-dollars-for-panthers-vs-beaches.html
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Re: Luongo to Panthers for Markstrom and Mattias

Postby SKYO » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:06 pm

herb wrote:Am I the only person who thinks it would be hilarious if the Panthers left Florida and moved to Seattle?

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2014/04/broward-debates-bed-tax-dollars-for-panthers-vs-beaches.html

lol that would be awesome and hilarious.
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Re: Luongo to Panthers for Markstrom and Mattias

Postby The Brown Knight » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:13 pm

herb wrote:Am I the only person who thinks it would be hilarious if the Panthers left Florida and moved to Seattle?

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2014/04/broward-debates-bed-tax-dollars-for-panthers-vs-beaches.html


Nope! :lol:

Count me in as a guy that would find that funny as well.
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Re: Luongo to Panthers for Markstrom and Mattias

Postby rats19 » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:27 pm

Funny as hell....
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Re: Luongo to Panthers for Markstrom and Mattias

Postby Topper » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:36 am

Follow the Yellow Brick Road to the Emerald City staring Gina Luongo caught in a whirlwind and clicking the heels of her red shoes together three times while saying, "There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home."
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Re: Luongo to Panthers for Markstrom and Mattias

Postby Todd Bersnoozi » Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:08 pm

Pretty funny :lol:

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