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Re: Kesler has requested a trade

Postby BurningBeard » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:20 am

When was the last time the media correctly reported a Gillis trade, before it happened, or even the Canuck player involved, before they moved? I believe there were some rumblings about Schneider the day before the draft. I can't think of anyone else.
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Re: Kesler has requested a trade

Postby Meds » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:33 am

To be brutally honest, if we are going into rebuild mode, I do NOT want a core that has any European players in it outside of the crease. Possible exception for the odd Fin, as they have shown themselves to be a hockey nation fueled by heart in recent years, and they don't seem content to just cycle the puck and play a possession game, they want to go to the net and score.

And at the risk of being the dark cloud around here I will say, the identity of this team will not change so long as we are building around a core that is led by the Sedins.
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Re: Kesler has requested a trade

Postby Topper » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:34 am

herb wrote:
Topper wrote:Except Grabner would have ended up on the waiver wire just he did in Florida.


We don't know that for sure.

Any way, that still would have been a better outcome than three years of Ballard and the first round pick we gave up.

Grabner couldn't crack a poor Panther's lineup out of training camp, do you believe he would have earned a spot on a much stronger Vancouver team?

Out of that deal Florida got 68 games (5G, 10A, -14) out of Steve Bernier and 18 games (0G, 0A, -10) from Howden who is unable to make the team this season. Vancouver received 148 games (3G, 13A, +8) from Ballard and 17 games (0G, 3A, +1) from Orekovich.

While you could argue that Florida gained cap space, they did nothing with it and their ownership would never allow spending close to approaching the cap.

I won't argue that Ballard lived up to expectations, clearly he didn't, but this was a salary dump by the Panthers that they hoped would have given them some cheap young talent. It didn't.

Frighteningly, four players in the Eastern Conference last place Panthers line up with Steve Bernier are now Vancouver Canucks; Booth, Santoelli, Garrison and Higgins
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Re: Kesler has requested a trade

Postby Meds » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:37 am

BurningBeard wrote:When was the last time the media correctly reported a Gillis trade, before it happened, or even the Canuck player involved, before they moved? I believe there were some rumblings about Schneider the day before the draft. I can't think of anyone else.


True story. Even Schneider was a bit blindsided by that deal.

Nobody was predicting anything regarding Schneider, only that the Canucks were taking calls about him. But that wasn't new because people had been calling about Cory all season. The talking heads had only started stating the obvious, that Lou was going to be impossible to move and Gillis might be forced to consider dealing Schneider.
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Re: Kesler has requested a trade

Postby Topper » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:48 am

BobMaK/LeBrun tweet hearing Vancouver will listen to offers on anyone not named Sedin.

Writers and bloggers scour the Canuck CapGeek page and see Kesler is a bargain on his current deal.

Writers and bloggers go nuts connecting every rumour they hear or create to Ryan Kesler while reading tea leaves and the way he combs his hair to suggest he wants out of town. Retweet and quote colleagues at will to generate top 40 pop song truth to the story.


Guaranteed clicks on websites to drive advertising and viewership for the hum drum boring all day coverage on draft day.
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Re: Kesler has requested a trade

Postby Meds » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:49 am

Seeing as Kesler won't actually be a "rental" player until 2016, here's a what if scenario that I would be OK with.

IF Gillis is actually not a completely blind moron, and to be fair he's acted to cagey all along to be labeled as such, then maybe he's looking at the 2014 draft over an objective eyebag and, seeing that it isn't a very strong or promising draft, is going to wait until next year to go into full rebuild mode. What if come the 2015 draft Gillis is able to have hung on to Kesler and Edler and makes a deal happen that sends them out in a crazy package that lands the Canucks the first overall pick? That means Connor McDavid. That means franchise center who gets legitimate comparisons to Crosby. That means a future depth chart down the middle of

McDavid
Horvat
Gaunce
Fox
Lain
Cassels

Ummm......that's incredible.

But if this is within the realms of possibility are you OK with not much happening in the here and now and us watching this team spin its wheels for another year?

I am. But only if that happens.
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Re: Kesler has requested a trade

Postby black ace » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:54 am

Meds wrote:Seeing as Kesler won't actually be a "rental" player until 2016, here's a what if scenario that I would be OK with.

IF Gillis is actually not a completely blind moron, and to be fair he's acted to cagey all along to be labeled as such, then maybe he's looking at the 2014 draft over an objective eyebag and, seeing that it isn't a very strong or promising draft, is going to wait until next year to go into full rebuild mode. What if come the 2015 draft Gillis is able to have hung on to Kesler and Edler and makes a deal happen that sends them out in a crazy package that lands the Canucks the first overall pick? That means Connor McDavid.



Because if the Canucks miss the playoffs this year and next year as you suggest then Gillis isint the GM here.
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Re: Kesler has requested a trade

Postby BurningBeard » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:59 am

Kesler may move, don't get me wrong, I just don't understand why anyone is willing buy the media's trade predictions when it comes to the Canucks. Their history predicting Gillis deals (especially trades) has been poor to say the least. I don't believe they've ever correctly predicted a player being dealt from the Canucks before it occurred.

If they move Kesler, I'm not sure what it would signify beyond a full rebuild. I guess it depends on the players coming back, but a second line center like Kelser is a player you chase, not one you trade as part of a "mini retool".
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Re: Kesler has requested a trade

Postby Topper » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:06 pm

^ Ding, Ding, Ding
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Re: Kesler has requested a trade

Postby black ace » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:09 pm

All these rumors are fake.

Gillis has already said he wont ask a player to waive a no trade clause and Kesler said he hasnt asked for a trade.

End of story right ?
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Re: Kesler has requested a trade

Postby Reefer2 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:14 pm

Topper wrote:BobMaK/LeBrun tweet hearing Vancouver will listen to offers on anyone not named Sedin.

Writers and bloggers scour the Canuck CapGeek page and see Kesler is a bargain on his current deal.

Writers and bloggers go nuts connecting every rumour they hear or create to Ryan Kesler while reading tea leaves and the way he combs his hair to suggest he wants out of town. Retweet and quote colleagues at will to generate top 40 pop song truth to the story.


Guaranteed clicks on websites to drive advertising and viewership for the hum drum boring all day coverage on draft day.


Exactly, could not of said it better myself.
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Re: Kesler has requested a trade

Postby sagebrush » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:22 pm

BurningBeard wrote: .. a second line center like Kelser is a player you chase, not one you trade as part of a "mini retool".

The Canucks aren't deep enough.

Club talent pool improves by: FA acquisitions; developing prospects; players improving while on the big club.
The GM can help by trading players at their peak for ones that are still improving. By sacrificing some of the present for the future, regardless of position, or the player's name.
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Re: Kesler has requested a trade

Postby sagebrush » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:26 pm

The plot thickens ...

With Hossa out again (stadium game, 3+ wks, injury prone) Chicago's interest in stocking up & preventing rivals from doing the same, looks to have increased.

Multiple league sources have told TFP that the Blackhawks are extremely interested in acquiring Kesler, but they aren't alone. The Pittsburgh Penguins have tabled an offer for Kesler and are also pushing hard to acquire him, while the Detroit Red Wings, Philadelphia Flyers and Columbus Blue Jackets are also very interested.

TFP has learned that the Canucks' preference is to trade Kesler by the March 5 trade deadline, but if a deal cannot be reached, they will revisit discussions in the summer.

The Canucks are asking for a young NHL-proven forward, a top prospect and a high draft pick in exchange for Kesler.
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Re: Kesler has requested a trade

Postby Meds » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:30 pm

BurningBeard wrote:Kesler may move, don't get me wrong, I just don't understand why anyone is willing buy the media's trade predictions when it comes to the Canucks. Their history predicting Gillis deals (especially trades) has been poor to say the least. I don't believe they've ever correctly predicted a player being dealt from the Canucks before it occurred.

If they move Kesler, I'm not sure what it would signify beyond a full rebuild. I guess it depends on the players coming back, but a second line center like Kelser is a player you chase, not one you trade as part of a "mini retool".


I'm not sure what to believe to be honest. If Gillis is to be believed then Kesler isn't going anywhere unless Kes has asked to be moved.

I completely agree with you that Kesler isn't a player you trade unless you are completely rebuilding. But even then, if the guy is under contract for 2 more seasons, and if the GM can do some solid rebuilding in that 2 seasons, Kesler is the kind of guy you want to keep as a leader and mentor for the youngsters.....if he's willing to stay at that point.

Now, if Daniel hadn't screwed up his knee, and if the team wasn't almost a lock to miss the playoffs at this point, then I would say Gillis should be seeing what it would take to get Marty St. Louis out of Tampa. A line with Kesler and St. Louis would be a good one.
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Re: Kesler has requested a trade

Postby The Brown Knight » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:32 pm

sagebrush wrote:
Multiple league sources have told TFP that the Blackhawks are extremely interested in acquiring Kesler, but they aren't alone. The Pittsburgh Penguins have tabled an offer for Kesler and are also pushing hard to acquire him, while the Detroit Red Wings, Philadelphia Flyers and Columbus Blue Jackets are also very interested.

The Canucks are asking for a young NHL-proven forward, a top prospect and a high draft pick in exchange for Kesler.


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