RoyalDude wrote:Spot on Lancer
RoyalDude wrote:Problem being, not so sure Gillis possesses the common sense as to where this team is at, I get the impression he thinks more of this group than he really should. This core is tapped out. Gillis has failed to surround this core with more good young core types. Making like Skyo and trading for a Vanek reminds me if a deal we would make in the miserable Messier, Mogilny, Bure years. Getting worn down vets is not the route to take, getting good young talent who can play now but are the future core faces of this team as the Sedin era comes to an end,
All the good western conference teams core players are young, young and young. We are old in that department. Wasting futures on worn down 30 year old cheque collecting vets is a big waste of fucking time and money,
Just not sure our current GM knows where this team is at and therefore the potential for Vanek damaging trade is there. I see more Roy/Pahlsson/Booth/Ballard trades out of Gillis yet.
Arachnid wrote:SKYO wrote:circle the wagons --> throwing firewater --> vancouver riots.
Careful SYKO or Tops will give you one of his imported diseases
Topper wrote:Arachnid wrote:Careful SYKO or Tops will give you one of his imported diseases
Sadly, diphtheria blankets, while a great idea,in theory, in practice,they do not work.
Lancer wrote:Forget wasting cap space on 30+ UFAs and soon-to-be UFAs like Vanek, etc.
The team has enough 30-somethings on roster
what's available isn't going to help the team get through the likes of what's ahead of them in the western conference.
Time for Gillis to bite the bullet, make a deal for a top-6 sniper/power forward in their 20s and pay what he must without utterly wrecking the roster.
It will take cajoling some out of their NTCs and adopting some significant risk, but that's where this team needs to go to vie for the Cup not just in the short term but the middle term as well.
dbr wrote:Mondi wrote:I don't think it's obvious to the Canucks coaches or management that this is a "wasted year".
"Wasted year" is Pauser's preferred term for a season where we neither dump the Sedins for scraps, nor are by a wide margin the best team in the league.
Those of us without emotional imbalances prefer to call it "retooling" or what have you.There are things that can be done to win now and later.
Just because one "pays attention" and notes that the team is bad, and I mean putrid, offensively, does not mean that the team couldn't be improved in some ways (i.e. that's what a good GM does).
And yes management should continue to try to improve the roster and the personnel should continue to try to win, nobody is saying any different. There's lots of room for reasonable discussion about those things.If you think Vinny Prospal is anything other than Jan Hlavac: The Sequel, then you're overly optimistic. If you think he's going to help the team in the future, you're wrong.
Hey if you want to find an actual post where someone said the thing you're disagreeing with, prior to disagreeing with it, I would appreciate that.
I don't think you can. I think the most positive thing anyone has said is that it's a no risk move.
(But Hlavac is a weird comparison, a never was who was playing his way out of the NHL at his peak as a player.. compared to Prospal who despite being slow as molasses has scored at a respectable rate for years now. I don't think it's likely he does that this year, but beyond their nationality I don't really see a basis for comparison. They're both forwards?)It is fair to point out the shortcomings of a GM who has dismantled (not improved) a team that was unstoppable just 3 short seasons ago. Or are you enjoying the fruits of Michael Grabner, a first rounder, Cody Hodgson and, Cory Schneider? Also, remember Salo, Erhoff and Samuelsson? They, who were let go for nothing.
Yeah. I have no problem with discussing those things. If you think the GM should be fired that's fine, I don't agree right now but that's fine and I'm totally willing to discuss it.
What I have a problem with is having any hope for reasonable discussion completely fucking demolished by people who know full well the current shortcomings of this team, have known what they would be since July, and still can't stop becoming unhinged about them in January. Those people need to get a grip.
But anyway like I said, I have no problem with people debating the job management has done here, I've done it at length on several occasions, recently at great length here. In fact it was in direct response to one of your posts Mondi but I don't believe you even bothered to reply.
So what exactly is your point here, are you just dropping in to defend the whiners and complainers and attempt to legitimize their emotional response, or do you want to actually take part in decent discussion?
Hockey Widow wrote:I'd be waiving Booth right now. If we are lucky someone picks him up. If not we free up $900,000 in cap and a roster spot.
Blob Mckenzie wrote:Hockey Widow wrote:I'd be waiving Booth right now. If we are lucky someone picks him up. If not we free up $900,000 in cap and a roster spot.
No one will pick him up. Traditional buyout at the end of the year. Pay him half his remaining 4.25 and its a 1.125 mill cap hit for two seasons. Then compliance buyout Burrows if he doesn't regain form. That gives the club 7.65 million in cap space just from those two moves. Hopefully Luo continues his solid play of late and a team dangles a prospect/pick for him and they have piles of cash to play with on July 1st.
Mondi wrote:My point, is that the Canucks have two forwards out of the lineup and the GM has put them in a position where they scratch a third player (Booth) and dress a defensemen at forward.
In my respectful opinion, the fault there lies with Mike Gillis.
And, it is fucking embarrassing for the team.
Also, they scored 8 goals in a seven game span. That's my point.
(Also the Hlavac reference was a comparison of useless European forwards).
dbr wrote:Mondi wrote:My point, is that the Canucks have two forwards out of the lineup and the GM has put them in a position where they scratch a third player (Booth) and dress a defensemen at forward.
In my respectful opinion, the fault there lies with Mike Gillis.
Booth is a difficult situation. Last offseason he couldn't be bought out due to his injury so you're talking about a team already trying to get younger spending draft picks just to dump him on another team for one season. (Personally I'm glad they didn't do that.) The shortened season he was injured most of the year so you couldn't move him then. Prior to that was the lockout taking us back to September 2012 which is about a year after the Canucks acquired him, in that year he'd been hurt once but had also strung a lot of games together with strong play and respectable scoring, I don't think it was at all cut-and-dried that he needed to be dumped at any cost at that point.And, it is fucking embarrassing for the team.
Really? I mean it's a shitty situation, but embarrassing? Do you think the players are ducking out of the locker room early because they can't look people in the eye over a useless player on their roster? They somehow managed to do it with Keith Ballard for three years so I don't see why this would be very different.Also, they scored 8 goals in a seven game span. That's my point.
Yeah uhh, it's a tough stretch. They are a worse team this year AND they have two top six forwards out of the lineup AND they have been slumping pretty bad. It's a recipe for disaster on the ice. Two of those three things can happen to any team any season regardless of the quality GM-ing they are getting, but you know.(Also the Hlavac reference was a comparison of useless European forwards).
Oh so you wanted to look stupid. Gotcha.