Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

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Re: Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

Post by BurningBeard » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:38 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:Mark Spector weighs in.

LOL this guy is such a troll to Vancouver fans. Hate to point out that his Oilers haven't made the playoffs since 2006, let alone won a playoff game.
I'm curious to know whom he believes he's speaking for in this quote. Does he believe he's speaking on behalf of the media in general?
I know, hate is a strong word. But we love that it is seeping back, slowly, with a rush of emotion this weekend that climaxed when Milan Lucic distanced himself from his own hometown.
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Re: Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

Post by The Brown Knight » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:39 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:Mark Spector weighs in.

LOL this guy is such a troll to Vancouver fans. Hate to point out that his Oilers haven't made the playoffs since 2006, let alone won a playoff game.

I'm confused by Mark Sphincter's article as a whole.

In an indirect way, he appears to be making up fun of the fact that the Canucks weren't an elite team anymore.

As an Edmontonian, he of all people should know that 'eliteness' doesn't last forever.

God forbid, if people pointed to Mark Sphincter that the Oilers fall from grace from 2006 was far more meteoric and catastrophic than Vancouver's.

Atleast we got another Presidents' Trophy out of it.......and finished 7th overall last year.

Impressive? Not really. Massive all from grace? Hardly.

When you think about it, the Canucks fall from grace has been less of a fall than teams such as Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, Philadelphia, and New Jersey (I.e. Runners up from the Cup Finals since 2004). Hell - Detroit hasn't really done much since 2009 either......when they lost to the Pens.

Sphincter did concede the fact that the Canucks do appear to be getting good again, but as a whole, his article was pretty silly and biased.
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Re: Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

Post by SKYO » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:46 pm

Topper wrote:I can fully understand Lucic going out with a few of his old Vancouver friends after the game and have no problem with it. His mistake was imbibing on hostile foreign ground.

He should have booked a private room at a club for a few of his friends and avoided the stupid temptation of other drunks wanting to play tough guy.
Good point! He's rich enough to afford VIP treatment/privacy.
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Re: Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

Post by Todd Bersnoozi » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:51 pm

Topper wrote:I can fully understand Lucic going out with a few of his old Vancouver friends after the game and have no problem with it. His mistake was imbibing on hostile foreign ground.

He should have booked a private room at a club for a few of his friends and avoided the stupid temptation of other drunks wanting to play tough guy.
Good point Topper. I think Lucic is a diff't type guy than Sakic/Kariya. Sakic and Kariya are the good school boy types, I doubt they hang out with the crowd that goes out to get hammered. Luc is an East Van kid, plays the enforcer role and he's totally the type to hang out with doods who luv to party. Some ppl may think Luc is dumb to put himself out in the open like that and it's valid, but on the other hand Luc is a loyal guy. He doesn't forget his roots. Even though he has made the big bucks and is a star in Boston, he still remembers his old buds and will make time for them when he visits them on the road. After a tuff lost, Luc probably just wanted to spend some time with his old buds and get hammered. He probably didn't think everything through and I'm sure next time he'll be smarter.

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Re: Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

Post by Hockey Widow » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:04 pm

Let me give you a woman's perspective. Most, if not all women, learn at a very early in age that there are some places you don't go to. It about situational awareness and keeping yourself safe. Men don't learn the message the same way we do. So my first reaction to this, as a woman, was what was he thinking going down to Granville in the wee hours of the morning, whether with friends or by himself? I live kitty corner to the Orpheum. I don't go out on Granville once all the stores are closed. I don't feel safe out there that time of night. I can sit on my balcony and watch all the drunks and fights and police cruisers roaring back and forth. I can watch all the drunken yahoos pissing and vomiting on the streets and the gangs of drunken 20 something's chanting, singing and just being 20 something and enjoying a drunk night out.

Lucic is from Vancouver. He knows what Granville street is. He is a big boy. I doubt he has spent one second of his life fearing walking outside at night or thinking about his situational safety. I assume he has a sense of invincibility about him, as most young 20 something males have, especially when empowered by alcohol. For sure there are worse places in Vancouver he could have chosen but so too are there much better areas he could go. Situational awareness. Lucic likes his drink and he is a 25 year old cock sure young man with as sense of entitlement.

I travel the world a lot. And I always know where I am. I don't go to areas like Granville in the wee hours of the morning. I don't feel invincible. I prefer being safe and sensible.

Having said all that I am not one who would ever, ever blame the victim. As a woman I have been on the other side of that one too. You know the lines, she was asking for it, look at how she dressed, why was she there in the first place if she didn't want trouble.

Milan Lucic has the absolute right to go anywhere he wants. He has the right to drink alcohol. He has the right to party with friends in any part of any city he chooses. He has the right to expect he will not be verbally or physically assaulted just for being a member of a rival sports team. The story of what happened is not fully known. What is known was that the parties involved were all very much drunk, including Lucic.

This whole incident was started by a drunken idiot that decided he would give Lucic a piece of his mind. Words were exchanged. Now I have been accosted in a bar before by a drunken idiot. But I didn't engage with him. I complained to the manager and put my personal safety first. Drunken idiot was escorted out and calm was restored. But I am a women not a 20 something male. My sense of personal safety and boundaries are, by necessity I suppose, different from a 20 something male.

So to be clear, Lucic has the right to be in a bar on Granville any damn time of any damn day he chooses to be. Period, end of story. I hope for him he takes this as a learning experience about situational awareness and keeping himself safe in the future. I hope he learns that it is far wiser to not engage with a drunken idiot and learns not to allow a verbal exchange of what we saw happen. He needs to be aware that these things do and will occur and he needs to learn how to extricate himself without letting it escalate. There is no place for a macho man in these situations. He is a star athlete and a public figure, whether he accepts that part or not. With that comes a responsibility for his own personal safety. It is a crazy world we live in and we all have to accept that personal responsibility for our own personal safety no matter where in the world we are.

If he was physically assaulted I hope he does press chargers, or hope the police do. He does not deserve to be assaulted no matter what. No one does, whether they have exercised an appropriate degree a of caution or not. I have never met a rape victim yet who reall did ask for it and I have met far too many rape victims. No I am not comparing this incident to rape. Just trying to point out that we all need situational awareness and we all need to play safe. Bad things happen.

Milan has gone out of his way to defend the City of Vancouver since 2011. He even talked of wanting to play here before his career was over. He has been an ambassador for the City. I think it is too bad he now feels like he never wants anything to do with the City and I think it is very narrow and short sighted of him too. It's actually quit immature for him to take that position but then again, he is 20 something.
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Re: Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

Post by SKYO » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:20 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Milan has gone out of his way to defend the City of Vancouver since 2011. He even talked of wanting to play here before his career was over. He has been an ambassador for the City. I think it is too bad he now feels like he never wants anything to do with the City and I think it is very narrow and short sighted of him too. It's actually quit immature for him to take that position but then again, he is 20 something.
Imagine a line of
Lucic - Horvat - Kassian in the future? :shock:
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Re: Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

Post by BurningBeard » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:26 pm

Excellent post HDub.
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Re: Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

Post by Todd Bersnoozi » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:29 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Milan has gone out of his way to defend the City of Vancouver since 2011. He even talked of wanting to play here before his career was over. He has been an ambassador for the City. I think it is too bad he now feels like he never wants anything to do with the City and I think it is very narrow and short sighted of him too. It's actually quit immature for him to take that position but then again, he is 20 something.
Hopefully it's just the heat of the moment and he'll be more level headed when things cool down. I noticed he will be a UFA in like 3 years, I hope these things will be water under the bridge and that he would be interested in playing here. Maybe his friends and family will be a big factor to put him in a Canucks' uni. If he does come here, he can party with his buds every day. He'll walk down Granville and guys (including drunks) will be high-fiving him, asking for his picture/autograph and even buy him a few rounds. I would. :D

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Re: Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

Post by Todd Bersnoozi » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:33 pm

SKYO wrote:Imagine a line of
Lucic - Horvat - Kassian in the future? :shock:
*haha* That would be sweet.

What about a muscle line?
Lucic-Gaunce-Kassassian

Or a beat em up line?
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Re: Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

Post by Blaster86 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:37 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: I think it is too bad he now feels like he never wants anything to do with the City and I think it is very narrow and short sighted of him too. It's actually quit immature for him to take that position but then again, he is 20 something.

I doubt he feels that way long term. But in the past two years can you really blame him? He never turned his back on us, we turned it on him. As a city, it sucks that the Bruins beat us. But can we not be happy for one of our own who got to lift the Cup? Why do we need to vandalize his church, harass his grand parents and then try and fight him? I'd be pretty choked too.

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Re: Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

Post by Hockey Widow » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:42 pm

Blaster86 wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote: I think it is too bad he now feels like he never wants anything to do with the City and I think it is very narrow and short sighted of him too. It's actually quit immature for him to take that position but then again, he is 20 something.

I doubt he feels that way long term. But in the past two years can you really blame him? He never turned his back on us, we turned it on him. As a city, it sucks that the Bruins beat us. But can we not be happy for one of our own who got to lift the Cup? Why do we need to vandalize his church, harass his grand parents and then try and fight him? I'd be pretty choked too.
But then "we" didn't. "We" gave him a standing ovation to a throng of Loooo chants when he hoisted the cup. "We" came out to celebrate when he brought the cup back to East Van. It is unfortunate that a few idiots get to define who "we" are.
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Re: Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

Post by Aaronp18 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:47 pm

Blaster86 wrote:But in the past two years can you really blame him? He never turned his back on us, we turned it on him. As a city, it sucks that the Bruins beat us. But can we not be happy for one of our own who got to lift the Cup? Why do we need to vandalize his church, harass his grand parents and then try and fight him? I'd be pretty choked too.
Stop using we.

The fact that the whole fanbase gets blamed for the actions of a few idiots is ridiculous.

In that video there were more voices standing up for Milan than the one moron that knows his penis is too small.

This isn't the first time and won't be the last a professional athlete is approached in public by some jackass who thinks he needs to prove he's bigger an badder than some guy making millions of dollars.

Blaming Vancouver is like blaming all the Bruins for Marchands antics Saturday night. I think Julien demonstrated in his presser just how happy they are with him about what he did.

Lucic definitely needs to realize there are a select group of retarded monkeys in every city. Don't feed them, ignore them as HW said and have others deal with the problems.

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Re: Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

Post by Hockey Widow » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:53 pm

Blaming everyone in Vancouver is like saying everyone in Boston likes to blow up bombs on crowded streets.
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Re: Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

Post by Blaster86 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:16 pm

Fair enough. I shouldn't be saying "we". But how much abuse does he have to take from people calling themselves Canucks fans before he has a legitimate beef? I'd be choked if I were him. I think he has a right to be fed up with this city. I would be too. It's not like this is random, and he happened to get into it with a guy randomly. He's being targeted. It blows for him.

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Re: Milan Lucic involved in Bar Fight in Vancouver

Post by The Brown Knight » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:23 pm

Blaster86 wrote:Fair enough. I shouldn't be saying "we". But how much abuse does he have to take from people calling themselves Canucks fans before he has a legitimate beef? I'd be choked if I were him. I think he has a right to be fed up with this city. I would be too. It's not like this is random, and he happened to get into it with a guy randomly. He's being targeted. It blows for him.
It's simple.

If he's fed up, then get the fuck out.

As other have said, he has the right to do whatever he wants.

If he wants to visit a club in Vancouver during the wee hours of the night, taking into account the situation, he's more than welcome to do so.

Similarly, if I want to wear a New York Yankees jersey in the heart of Boston during a Yankees/Red Sox American League Championship series........on a 2 AM in a dark alley.......hell, I'm well within my right as a free citizen!

"We" aren't the only city in the world that is like this......regardless of what the inbred hicks on Calgarypuck.com say.
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