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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby SKYO » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:11 am

Meds wrote: 1. Bad luck on the injury front, both in the timing and the individuals in question.


I think if injuries are going to be a concern for the next few years, we need more center/wingers, especially for the 2nd/3rd line.

For the Edler trade MG should target Philly and Detroit, those teams have the best probable chances of both sides including Edler giving the ok for a deal.

Both Flyers, Wings have a C/LW in Phi. B Schenn and Det. Nyquist.

Detroit also has Abdelkader another C/W, he would absolutely solidify our 3rd line.

Before Nyquist's value goes up and up, MG should start this big trade talk now with a final deal done after the season is over.
My ideal: Edler+Gaunce for Nyquist, Abdelkader, pick.
Now before you guys say how horrible that is, you guys need to get up to date on this Nyquist fella, he's gonna be a star, good IQ, vision, passing skills and a good shot.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Hockey Widow » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:17 pm

The good thing about the players on the core that MG may want to trade is that, for the most part, they have reasonable contracts and cap. A team trading for them won't be trading for a rental. This could be a good thing at the trade dead line and over the summer. Teams will get players with term. It's not like he would be trading players that are pending UFA.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby herb » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:48 am

I don’t think there’s any way you can look at this current team and think things are going to work themselves out. The team will probably get hot again and win a few games after the Olympic break. They may even make the playoffs (they probably should, if they ever get a healthy group back together). If you think this team is able to go on any sort of run, and provide more than two or three home playoff games for the owners, then you’re clearly on crack. They don’t sell rose coloured glasses in that hue.

Guys like Higgins, Hansen, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler, Garrison and even Burrows would garner significant returns at the deadline or in the off season in terms of young players. For the most part they have age and reasonable contracts on their sides. I could see Burrows, Higgins and Hansen having value at the deadline due to their versatility and track record.

I think you can trade three or four of these guys, retool with the young players you get back via trade as well as Horvat and Shinkaruk, and come back with a deeper and more dynamic team next year.

If the core guys like the Sedins, Luongo and Kesler don’t like this plan, put them on the block too. The return for Kesler in a trade would be absolutely massive.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby SKYO » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:57 am

Agreed both ya'll^^

The thing thats fucks with my head is does MG have to acquire players that suit Torts style?

Does he have to go and try to get somebody like Callahan now?

Plus do we have to worry about how Torts will handle bringing in Horvat, Gaunce, Shinkaruk etc. in the next coupla seasons?

Torts seemed to do ok with some youngsters, but Kreider was held back, ehh too much to think about right now ha.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby herb » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:46 pm

SKYO wrote:Agreed both ya'll^^

The thing thats fucks with my head is does MG have to acquire players that suit Torts style?

Does he have to go and try to get somebody like Callahan now?


Not Callahan, I hope. Too expensive, way too much term and way too old for where we need to be headed.

One would hope that management has a philosophy and vision for what it wants its team to look like. I would hope that the coach fits in with that vision, and not the other way around.

Most of us thought this was going to be a transition year of sorts, and I certainly thought this team had a curious identity to start the year, but if ownership is really shocked that the team isn’t hanging in there with the top dogs then I really have to question what their vision is (aside from having a team with a serious lack of depth...).

SKYO wrote:Plus do we have to worry about how Torts will handle bringing in Horvat, Gaunce, Shinkaruk etc. in the next coupla seasons?

Torts seemed to do ok with some youngsters, but Kreider was held back, ehh too much to think about right now ha.


Why? Gaunce, Horvat, Cassels and Fox are all described as strong two-way players. Shinkaruk is a bit different, but maybe there is such a thing as having too many players cut from the same cloth. Frankly this team needs somebody with a bit of flare and creativity like Shinkaruk.

If I’m running the organization, my first order of business is to acquire that young, top six winger. Not a project guy, or an old guy, but a legitimate top six guy who already is putting up 25+ goals. This would be someone like Kane, Voracek, Simmonds, Stewart or Eberle (just throwing some names out there). Somebody needs to be brought in to do some heavy lifting on the offensive side in the here and now, but also into the future.

Hansen and Edler would be the carrots I dangle first, but any of Hamhuis, Bieksa or Garrison could go as well. Maybe now is a good time to sell Hamhuis, Garrison or Bieksa while their stock is high and they still have good term and money left on their contracts. Maybe you can afford to trade two of Hamhuis/Bieksa/Garrison/Edler and go after a Girardi in the off season?

I think you can put together a good defensive group with what’s left and rounding out the depth through free agency. Maybe Diaz is a guy who can be effective in a sheltered bottom pairing role, and quite frankly I am very high on Tanev and Stanton’s ability to both step into bigger roles.

My forwards would be rounded out with the kids, and if I’m Gillis I do not trade a single one of them because that just makes our chances of them panning out for us even worse. I would try to keep Higgins.



I keep coming back to Hamhuis and Bieksa when I think about this team's needs. Hamhuis is a BC guy, a community guy, going to play for Team Canada, etc., but is what he brings to the table (savvy shutdown defenseman) easier to replace than replacing the offensive potential of Edler and Garrison? By easier to replace I mean either via Tanev and Stanton or through free agency.

On Kevin Bieksa…he’s on the wrong side of 30, but he’s a big part of this team’s leadership group, which I’m not sure anymore if that’s a positive or a negative.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby SKYO » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:04 pm

herb wrote:
SKYO wrote:Plus do we have to worry about how Torts will handle bringing in Horvat, Gaunce, Shinkaruk etc. in the next coupla seasons?

Torts seemed to do ok with some youngsters, but Kreider was held back, ehh too much to think about right now ha.


Why? Gaunce, Horvat, Cassels and Fox are all described as strong two-way players. Shinkaruk is a bit different, but maybe there is such a thing as having too many players cut from the same cloth. Frankly this team needs somebody with a bit of flare and creativity like Shinkaruk.

If I’m running the organization, my first order of business is to acquire that young, top six winger. Not a project guy, or an old guy, but a legitimate top six guy who already is putting up 25+ goals.


Yeah I'm just hoping Torts can develop our young guns properly (good situational minutes and patience, allowing them to make mistakes & learn) and quick!

As an aside about if we ever got a new GM, and what I like about when a new GM comes in to their new team is they usually make sweeping changes right off the bat, then analyze for a few years, if a new GM came in this summer, first thing he'd probably do is ship Luongo to where he belongs in Florida it's the right thing to do, with the Panthers spending more to the cap now and wanting to sell tickets, I don't see a better option than bringing their Lu home, to finally solidify their goaltending, they can let thomas roam to another team, with markstrom clearly not being ready.

Not to mention it would finally end this 'goalie controversy' (lu/schneids) in the room, I bet this whole scenario probably left a bad taste in their subconsciousness, as the entire team, fans and more importantly Lu felt it was time to move on, but it didn't happen.
The team will never say that, but I bet it lingers a bit.

We'd just accept their high priced dman in return Campbell.

With Campbell it would enable the team to trade Edler to either the Flyers or Redwings whoever ponies up two young guns first and that's it, no need to bicker about adding just a little more (picks etc) where the other team backs out.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Hockey Widow » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:37 pm

If we move Luongo to Florida for a decent piece or two or picks I would be glad to see Campbell come back in the deal. He will have two years left at 7.1 million cap. In a full season he still gets close to or just over 50 points.

As you suggest we can the easily afford to trade Edler for a nice return. Campbell provides the PP with an upgrade and buys players like Tanev, Stanton and Corrado two more years to keep developing.

We could end up with a few nice pieces trading those two.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby herb » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:45 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:If we move Luongo to Florida for a decent piece or two or picks I would be glad to see Campbell come back in the deal. He will have two years left at 7.1 million cap. In a full season he still gets close to or just over 50 points.

As you suggest we can the easily afford to trade Edler for a nice return. Campbell provides the PP with an upgrade and buys players like Tanev, Stanton and Corrado two more years to keep developing.

We could end up with a few nice pieces trading those two.


Good plan.

With the Timmy Thomas debacle in Florida, combined with Luongo's solid season, I could see Florida wanting to solidify that position. You could probably build a respectable goaltending duo out of Lack and a UFA (Hiller, Elliott, Greiss, JSG, Scrivens, Halak).
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby $lacker » Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:08 am

Hockey Widow wrote:If we move Luongo to Florida for a decent piece or two or picks I would be glad to see Campbell come back in the deal. He will have two years left at 7.1 million cap. In a full season he still gets close to or just over 50 points.

As you suggest we can the easily afford to trade Edler for a nice return. Campbell provides the PP with an upgrade and buys players like Tanev, Stanton and Corrado two more years to keep developing.

We could end up with a few nice pieces trading those two.


I heard an interesting tidbit today from a friend who has been pretty reliable in the past - said that 4 players have been approached about potentially waiving their NTC and that one has given the green light. When I pressed further he only said that the one that has agreed is not a d-man. HW, have you heard anything to this effect?

I immediately thought Edler at first as he had apparently agreed to go to Detriot, but as this is a forward you have to think it's Kesler or Burrows.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby SKYO » Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:24 am

$lacker wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:If we move Luongo to Florida for a decent piece or two or picks I would be glad to see Campbell come back in the deal. He will have two years left at 7.1 million cap. In a full season he still gets close to or just over 50 points.

As you suggest we can the easily afford to trade Edler for a nice return. Campbell provides the PP with an upgrade and buys players like Tanev, Stanton and Corrado two more years to keep developing.

We could end up with a few nice pieces trading those two.


I heard an interesting tidbit today from a friend who has been pretty reliable in the past - said that 4 players have been approached about potentially waiving their NTC and that one has given the green light. When I pressed further he only said that the one that has agreed is not a d-man. HW, have you heard anything to this effect?

I immediately thought Edler at first as he had apparently agreed to go to Detriot, but as this is a forward you have to think it's Kesler or Burrows.


If anyone needs a change of scenery it's Burr, change is good! especially when things aren't clicking and everythings going into a downward spiral.

Montreal would take him, say Prust and Tinordi? idk

Or trade to him to AV's Rangers for Callahan, yes I know he's injured a lot and will get overpaid, but if we trade for him, maybe he could take a bit of paycut for $5M per ish if not, let him walk and MG dusts his hands and clears up Burrows/Callahan's cap hits, Aquabros say thanks for the savings, and MG has a lot more money to play with.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Lancer » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:13 am

$lacker wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:If we move Luongo to Florida for a decent piece or two or picks I would be glad to see Campbell come back in the deal. He will have two years left at 7.1 million cap. In a full season he still gets close to or just over 50 points.

As you suggest we can the easily afford to trade Edler for a nice return. Campbell provides the PP with an upgrade and buys players like Tanev, Stanton and Corrado two more years to keep developing.

We could end up with a few nice pieces trading those two.


I heard an interesting tidbit today from a friend who has been pretty reliable in the past - said that 4 players have been approached about potentially waiving their NTC and that one has given the green light. When I pressed further he only said that the one that has agreed is not a d-man. HW, have you heard anything to this effect?

I immediately thought Edler at first as he had apparently agreed to go to Detriot, but as this is a forward you have to think it's Kesler or Burrows.


What are the odds it's Hansen?

Both Burrows and Kesler would be head-scratchers as (Burrows' horrawful season notwithstanding) they both would appear to be the kinds of players Torts would want to have around.

I still don't think anything is likely to happen before the end of the season though. Maybe it's just another shot across the bows of particular players, or just management looking to establish what assets they have available to move should something drop into their laps.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Island Nucklehead » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:02 am

Lancer wrote:What are the odds it's Hansen?

Both Burrows and Kesler would be head-scratchers as (Burrows' horrawful season notwithstanding) they both would appear to be the kinds of players Torts would want to have around.

I still don't think anything is likely to happen before the end of the season though. Maybe it's just another shot across the bows of particular players, or just management looking to establish what assets they have available to move should something drop into their laps.


Hansen doesn't have a NTC. Not til next season.

It wouldn't shock me if it was Burrows. But I can't imagine the return would be too good. Is there anything worse than selling low? Because I'd have to think Hansen would return more than Burrows at this point, given age and contract.

Hard to pick the four players... Higgins is actually having a good season, the Sedins just resigned, Bieksa seems like a Tortorella guy, Garrison and Hamhuis are on value-deals and are the two guys I'd keep around...

Edler-Kesler-Burrows.... Luongo?? :lol:
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby herb » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:46 am

I am getting to the point where I need to see a core guy moved if for no other reason than to see some acknowledgement from management (and ownership) that what we have ain’t working and things need to change.

Aside from Kesler, Higgins is the deadline deal guy who would garner the biggest return. 20 goal, two-way veterans on $2.5M contracts are rare, which is why we should keep him IMO.

I would love to see Burrows and Hansen gone. I've seen enough from these two and think we could easily upgrade.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Canuck-One » Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:56 pm

Acchttp://www.theprovince.com/sports/ho ... story.html

According to Gillis the team will be alright. There is nothing too much wrong it's all because of in juries.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Jovocop » Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:37 pm

Canuck-One wrote:Acchttp://www.theprovince.com/sports/hockey/canucks-hockey/Vancouver+Canucks+Mike+Gillis+team+going/9486580/story.html

According to Gillis the team will be alright. There is nothing too much wrong it's all because of in juries.


Seriously, what else could he say?

Besides the injuries, the Canucks are still one or two top-six forwards away from being a playoffs team. :(
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