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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:53 am

Island Nucklehead wrote:
The Brown Knight wrote:Martin St. Louis has comparable height and weight to Shinkaruk, and look what he accomplished.


Shinkaruk is about the same size as Patrick Kane. He's 5'11. St Louis is 5'8.


He's 5-10 180, the stats pad him at around 5-11 185 in which most people in the know say are quite exaggerated numbers. Shit even Mason Raymond is a giant compared to this kid
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:59 am

Hockey Widow wrote:Holly crap have I got a rumour or two. Nothing concrete or consummated. Nothing close to being a deal in place.

MG is going hard after E. Kane, with a passion. He is also giving serious talk to one of the Leaf blue liners not named JML. Depending JS health and prognosis he could be in player for a 4-5 type blue liner. If he lands Kane he could parley Booth in a 4-6 round pick to clear cap if he is not a throw in in the Kane deal.

My buddy said he heard MG comment that E. Kane is the type of player he would be willing to make a bold move for. Kane has business with one of my contacts and wants out of Winnipeg with a passion and would love to party on a Granville street. :mrgreen:


I also know someone on the inside who tells me that Kane badly wants to play back home here and wants out of Winnipeg like no tomorrow but have never heard that Gillis is in hot pursuit of him. Interesting. But due to my experiences with the Gillis Managements snail pace at bold moves, I don't expect anything to happen in this century. All hail the classic Gillis trade deadline deals for the Pahlssons and Roys of the world and journeyman reclamation projects.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:02 am

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Having said that, I've had a change of heart about Kassian.

A few weeks ago, I would've been all but happy to throw in Kassian for a potential Evander Kane deal, but I am really liking the way that Kassian is coming into his own now.

Call it a gut feeling, but I think Kassian is quite close to breaking out into the player that we want. He's not there yet.......but for the first time since he's been here, I'm seeing something in him.



Don't get your hopes up to high, Kassian is a frustrating project with too engrained laziness to be a consistent force out there, at least not in the short term. I'd have no problem moving Kassian as a part to get Kane. He's exactly what this team needs to get back to elite respectability.

I would do Edler, Shinkaruk, 2014 1st round pick

Kane and Horvat leading the way for the next generation of Canuck hockey. Horvat is the type of centre Kane has been looking for.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:01 am

Hockey Widow wrote: He is also giving serious talk to one of the Leaf blue liners not named JML.


Jake Gardiner and Dion Phaneuf are rumored to be on the market, can't be one of those two.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Island Nucklehead » Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:21 am

RoyalDude wrote:He's 5-10 180, the stats pad him at around 5-11 185 in which most people in the know say are quite exaggerated numbers. Shit even Mason Raymond is a giant compared to this kid


http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/03/nhl-draft-combine-2013-heights-and-weights/

From the NHL combine: Shinkaruk was 5'10.5 172.5lbs when he was drafted.

Pat Kane was listed at 5'9 160 pounds in his draft year.

The point is, Shinkaruk may be on the small side, but he's not Marty St Louis short. Guys like Kane and Giroux (5'11, 172) are better comparisons.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Hockey Widow » Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:48 am

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Hockey Widow wrote: He is also giving serious talk to one of the Leaf blue liners not named JML.


Jake Gardiner and Dion Phaneuf are rumored to be on the market, can't be one of those two.



Ya I doubt very much we would look at Dion. Two much coin and would have to give up too much to get a guy who is UFA soon. Gardiner they have always liked but he hasn't't been the same since his concussion. Honestly I don't know who they are kicking the tires on. Maybe they were just taking a look see. They don't seem to be in a panic mode around defence yet. But with Both Edler and Stanton gone for awhile I think they should be getting serious. I like how Weber has played since he has been recalled. Alberts has played well for us on the 5-6 spot in the past but he is still not playing in game shape.

I would be surprised to see a deal between Toronto and the Canucks but Nonis is said to like JS. But JS still has a way to go before his return and the Leafs need help at centre like yesterday.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby The Brown Knight » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:30 am

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The Brown Knight wrote:.

Having said that, I've had a change of heart about Kassian.

A few weeks ago, I would've been all but happy to throw in Kassian for a potential Evander Kane deal, but I am really liking the way that Kassian is coming into his own now.

Call it a gut feeling, but I think Kassian is quite close to breaking out into the player that we want. He's not there yet.......but for the first time since he's been here, I'm seeing something in him.



Don't get your hopes up to high, Kassian is a frustrating project with too engrained laziness to be a consistent force out there, at least not in the short term. I'd have no problem moving Kassian as a part to get Kane. He's exactly what this team needs to get back to elite respectability.

I would do Edler, Shinkaruk, 2014 1st round pick

Kane and Horvat leading the way for the next generation of Canuck hockey. Horvat is the type of centre Kane has been looking for.



I am excited by the idea of having Horvat and Kane anchoring a line for us. (On a side note, if we did make a deal like this, are the Canucks allowed to call up Horvat this season? If the Canucks are playoff bound, getting Horvat some NHL playoff experience might be a good idea).

Edler, Shinkaruk, 2014 pick does seem like an interesting idea.

Only concern I have is Kane's rumored/alleged attitude problem.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:37 am

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Only concern I have is Kane's rumored/alleged attitude problem.


Well, that would only lower Winnipeg's bargaining power. Maybe Kane, playing where he wants to, back home in front of family and friends, his beloved Canucks, instead of somewhere where he doesn't, like Winterpeg, will give him the positive attitude change. Would you be happy working in the frozen tundra?
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:39 am

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Ya I doubt very much we would look at Dion. Two much coin and would have to give up too much to get a guy who is UFA soon. Gardiner they have always liked but he hasn't't been the same since his concussion. Honestly I don't know who they are kicking the tires on. Maybe they were just taking a look see. They don't seem to be in a panic mode around defence yet. But with Both Edler and Stanton gone for awhile I think they should be getting serious. I like how Weber has played since he has been recalled. Alberts has played well for us on the 5-6 spot in the past but he is still not playing in game shape.

I would be surprised to see a deal between Toronto and the Canucks but Nonis is said to like JS. But JS still has a way to go before his return and the Leafs need help at centre like yesterday.


JS and Corrado for Morgan 'West Van' Reilly

Edler, Shinkaruk, 2014 1st for Evander 'East Van' Kane
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby ukcanuck » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:00 pm

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Hockey Widow wrote:
Ya I doubt very much we would look at Dion. Two much coin and would have to give up too much to get a guy who is UFA soon. Gardiner they have always liked but he hasn't't been the same since his concussion. Honestly I don't know who they are kicking the tires on. Maybe they were just taking a look see. They don't seem to be in a panic mode around defence yet. But with Both Edler and Stanton gone for awhile I think they should be getting serious. I like how Weber has played since he has been recalled. Alberts has played well for us on the 5-6 spot in the past but he is still not playing in game shape.

I would be surprised to see a deal between Toronto and the Canucks but Nonis is said to like JS. But JS still has a way to go before his return and the Leafs need help at centre like yesterday.


JS and Corrado for Morgan 'West Van' Reilly

Edler, Shinkaruk, 2014 1st for Evander 'East Van' Kane


Edler OR Shinkaruk and a second for a malcontented Kane seems more palatable
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Topper » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:20 pm

I wonder how much of Gardiner's salary Nonis would be willing to retain?
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby RyanGinger » Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:41 pm

Do you guys think Niedderiter-Kesler-Callahan would be a good second line? Not too sure if Nino is a Top 6 guy.

Also, which 3rd line is better: Higgins-Santo-Hansen or Higgins-Santo-Boyes
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Hockey Widow » Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:12 pm

RyanGinger wrote:Do you guys think Niedderiter-Kesler-Callahan would be a good second line? Not too sure if Nino is a Top 6 guy.

Also, which 3rd line is better: Higgins-Santo-Hansen or Higgins-Santo-Boyes


Didn't you already start an either or thread :mrgreen: just saying.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Topper » Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:54 pm

RyanGinger wrote:Do you guys think Niedderiter-Kesler-Callahan would be a good second line? Not too sure if Nino is a Top 6 guy.

Also, which 3rd line is better: Higgins-Santo-Hansen or Higgins-Santo-Boyes

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Todd Bersnoozi » Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:30 pm

The Brown Knight wrote:[Having said that, I've had a change of heart about Kassian.

A few weeks ago, I would've been all but happy to throw in Kassian for a potential Evander Kane deal, but I am really liking the way that Kassian is coming into his own now.

Call it a gut feeling, but I think Kassian is quite close to breaking out into the player that we want. He's not there yet.......but for the first time since he's been here, I'm seeing something in him.


Yeah, I am really pleased with Kassassian too. He's quitely having a pretty good year. He was in Tort's doghouse for a bit, but has quickly worked his way out of it. He came up with a big goal to help the team rally back against the Hawks the other day. He now has 7 goals in like 32 games, that's a pace for like just under 20 goals? Not bad for a guy who pretty much only plays 3rd line minutes with zero PP time.

Even if he never becomes a Lucic, Bertuzzi or Neely, I would keep him around. I think we simply need more big, gritty, tuff guys who can play a meaningful role with the team. If he can become a dependable physical player who can score 15-20 goals consistenly, I'd be happy with him.

Speaking of Neely, I would still luv to see Zack get a few games with the Sedins. There was a big discussion about whether Zack should earn his ice time vs ice time being given to him on this board. When we had Neely, he was basically seen by coaching and managment as a plumber, so he was never really given an offensive role. When Boston acquired him, they gave him a chance to play a big role on the team and he responded to become one of the best power forwards during his day. All I'm saying, how do we know what we have unless we give him a chance to show what he can do? I don't think the Sedins ever really had a big power forward who could play with them ever since they were rookies (ie - Klatt mostly and a lil bit of Linden and Bert). The Sedins are obviously way better now, it'd be nice to see how a young power forward with loads of potential will do with them.

Last point about Kassassian, I noticed that he seems to have a way of busting down the wing and snaping a goal in, a typical classic goal scoring winger. Would luv to see him given a chance to unleash that shot more often. :)







And yeah, there's no way I'd move him right now. Not even for E.Kane.
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