Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

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Re: Trades and rumours 2013-14

Postby Meds » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:03 pm

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Meds wrote:Why is everyone so high on Vanek?

He has only scored 40 goals twice in his career.

He is barely a point per game player......far from it actually.



Because it's not 1989 anymore - Vanek has put excellent numbers in THIS era of hockey..
This is as bad as your take on Claude Giroux

Only two 40 goal seasons- sheesh - barely a point game. Where do you get this shit?


Ummmm......I look at stats and trends......just consider Vanek's production since he entered the league. Have a look at his points season to season as projected over 82 games: 49, 84, 64, 72, 61, 75, 64, 88, 60. They are up and down like a yo yo, he doubled up in his sophomore year, then has taken dives by as much as 20 points, 28 if this season's pace holds. It's not like he is the picture of consistency.....and this is in the more wide open Eastern Conference. But yeah, those are excellent numbers for a guy who most think will be asking for something approaching the $8M range.

How about you, do you just drink the Kool-Aid and buy into the hype surrounding this guy? Is it because the media has raved about his ability that you just assume he's going to be a 40 goal, point-per-game, player next year? Is that why you would give up the assets needed to acquire him and then make him the highest annually paid player in Canucks history?
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Re: Trades and rumours 2013-14

Postby RyanGinger » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:46 pm

Which 2014 UFA would you sign for a Top 6 role to play beside Kes?
-Vrbata
-Moulson
-Callahan
-Cammalleri
-Michalek
-or would you trade Edler (NTC waived) for Nyquist and a 1st?
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Re: Trades and rumours 2013-14

Postby ClamRussel » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:48 am

RyanGinger wrote:Which 2014 UFA would you sign for a Top 6 role to play beside Kes?
-Vrbata
-Moulson
-Callahan
-Cammalleri
-Michalek
-or would you trade Edler (NTC waived) for Nyquist and a 1st?


Callahan, I'm certain he & Torts would welcome a reunion. I think he'd be a great fit w/ 17.
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Re: Trades and rumours 2013-14

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:25 am

Callahan makes sense, with his history with Torts, although not the biggest guy in the world - 5-11, 185 lbs, but puts up good numbers every year. We could use more depth on the wings in the top 9 forward group as we really only have 3 quality ones at the moment - Burrows, Hansen and Higgins. Santorelli and Kesler are natural centres, but I guess with one of them playing the wing then I see us having two spots on the wing available next season in the top 9. Booth is a fucking guaranteed buyout. Kassian is gonna take years to get it on the consistency front and too lose that too engrained laziness that possesses him, he will bounce all over the line-up because of that. Jensen looks like a complete bust so ya we definitely could use wing help in the top 9 forward group. Horvat is pretty much guaranteed to make the line-up next season, he will bounce between 2nd line centre and 3rd line centre. Plus we have loads of centre depth after Horvat on the prospect front, Schroeder, Gaunce, Cassels. Lain. Would hate to see us lock up a journeyman UFA centre, taking away, AGAIN, jobs from our kids to learn the ropes. I would like to see us give Schroeder at least one good chance to prove himself.
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Edler and Burrows

Postby The Brown Knight » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:45 am

So......

The Canucks have a nice little streak going and they're doing this without Edler and Burrows.

So naturally, it begs the question:

Can the Canucks survive without both Edler and Burrows?

Personally? IF the Canucks were to package Edler, Burrows,.......and let's say, a draft pick........I'd be looking to acquire a stud defenseman (I'm still not a fan of moving Edler for a forward as I believe that downgrading on defense is too risky).

Edler + Burrows + draft pick for Byfuglien. :P
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Re: Trades and rumours 2013-14

Postby The Brown Knight » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:46 am

RoyalDude wrote:
The Brown Knight wrote:I feel a little bad for the Islanders.

They looked as though they were off to a promising start this season, and as result, made the move for Vanek.

On paper, it seemed like a decent move even if it had it's risks. What ISN'T there to like about the idea of having Vanek ride shot-gun with Tavares?

The Isles took a gamble and appear to be losing hands down so far.


Clutterbuck - 26 years old, 3 goals, 2 assists, minus 5

Niederreiter - 21 years old, 5 goals, 10 assists, plus 5

Would not be surprised if Garth 'Mike Milbury' Snow trades Griffin Reinhart and Ryan Strome for a couple journeyman veterens.


Good points RD.

As hard as it is to believe, Snow is almost as bad a GM as Milbury was.
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Re: Edler and Burrows

Postby Island Nucklehead » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:15 pm

The Brown Knight wrote:Edler + Burrows + draft pick for Byfuglien. :P


The Jets say thanks and are you sure you don't want a reach-around? Wow that's brutal.
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Re: Edler and Burrows

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:37 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
The Brown Knight wrote:Edler + Burrows + draft pick for Byfuglien. :P


The Jets say thanks and are you sure you don't want a reach-around? Wow that's brutal.


TBK definitely shat the bed with that proposal. Almost as bad as Skyo Machete's proposals.
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Re: Edler and Burrows

Postby The Brown Knight » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:39 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
The Brown Knight wrote:Edler + Burrows + draft pick for Byfuglien. :P


The Jets say thanks and are you sure you don't want a reach-around? Wow that's brutal.


I dunno.....Byfuglien and something else perhaps?

If not Buff (admittedly, a half-assed example on my part), I think the idea of trading Edler and Burrows for a stud defenseman is worth exploring.

Canucks, without Edler and Burrows, are on a 7 game winning streak. Imagine adding another top quality player?.........(I.e. Adding to our current line-up without giving nothing).

I would target a defenseman instead of a forward in said hypothetical...........as losing a defenseman without replacing the depth would be very risky IMO.
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Re: Edler and Burrows

Postby The Brown Knight » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:39 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote:
The Brown Knight wrote:Edler + Burrows + draft pick for Byfuglien. :P


The Jets say thanks and are you sure you don't want a reach-around? Wow that's brutal.


TBK definitely shat the bed with that proposal. Almost as bad as Skyo Machete's proposals.


Lol.

No argument from me there. :oops:
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Re: Edler and Burrows

Postby vic » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:55 pm

The Brown Knight wrote:Canucks, without Edler and Burrows, are on a 7 game winning streak. Imagine adding another top quality player?.........(I.e. Adding to our current line-up without giving nothing).


Maybe they'd be 8-1-1 in their last 10...oh wait...

They can add Edler and Burrows without giving up anything.
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Re: Edler and Burrows

Postby The Brown Knight » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:02 pm

vic wrote:
The Brown Knight wrote:Canucks, without Edler and Burrows, are on a 7 game winning streak. Imagine adding another top quality player?.........(I.e. Adding to our current line-up without giving nothing).


Maybe they'd be 8-1-1 in their last 10...oh wait...

They can add Edler and Burrows without giving up anything.


Agreed, but don't you find it a little odd that both our offense and defense has been better since both have been out?

Probably coincidence.

Maybe not.

Not really sure who's out there, or what would be possible, but you'd have to think that an Edler/Burrows/draft pick package could land us a real top notch blue chip defenseman........something that this organization has never really had.

Edler + Burrows + Horvat for Weber?

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby RyanGinger » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:03 pm

I'm open to trade Edler, but the Sedins seem to play better with Burrows. Great PK man too.
Where would Edler waive his NTC for though? Some ppl are saying Detroit.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Hockey Widow » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:20 pm

The Canucks will be that much better when they have Burrows on their wing. No coincidence that their production has slowed since they lost someone reliable to play wing. Imagine that line going and the second followed up by a third that is getting better each game.

I also think the third line will be better with JS at centre, once he is back in game shape. And the fourth line will be stronger with Richardson at centre.

Edler feels expendable because Tanev and Stanton have both played great. I have seen enough of Tanev to be convinced he is the real deal. I keep waiting for Stanton to faulter but he seems yo be the read deal too. But we are one injury away on the back end from being depleted.

I go back and forth regarding trading Edler but I would be in favour of moving him for the right price. A top four D man would garner a big return.
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Re: Edler and Burrows

Postby Todd Bersnoozi » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:26 pm

The Brown Knight wrote:Edler + Burrows + draft pick for Byfuglien. :P


I luv Buffy. I'd do that trade. He's 1 guy I would overpay for. I'm even willing to offer Edler, Burr + Shinkaruk for him. :D
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