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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Tiger » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:39 am

herb wrote:I can understand going after Iginla, but I don't know why he'd sign here either other than he loves Benning and Boston can't afford him.


OK the Dude has gone soft and mushy.. so someones gotta stir the pot :)

Iginla isn't coming here unless he is money motivated and the Canucks overpay him bigtime..
We are not a "middle of the pack team", let alone a contender. Gillis guaranteed that with his NT and NM deals.
We are stuck with the twins for 4 years at 7 mill each plus we kept our worst top 4 dman ( Edler ) . The Sedins have been in decline since 2011 .. Edlers stats speak for themself.. Kesler left a sinking ship to go to a contender . He had a so so year last year but was still the only Canuck to score over 20 goals.. So now we got an AHL coach and a team that might win a few games but surely is not going to make the playoffs.. If they really wanted to build a 'contender" they would have kept Booth used the compliance buyout to buy out Danny and kissed Keslers butt to keep him and built around him ( yeah, not much difference between a prick and an Asshole except when he is leaving )..
So in the last 2 years we have consistently made the wrong decisions.. Gillis should of been gone 2 years ago . The Sedin's should never been signed for 4 more years.. and Edler should have been traded for a tweener like we got for Kesler. We got 19 Mill in salary against the cap with 3 swedes that are vastly overpaid and we are no longer a contender and will not make the playoffs with the team as is even if we do sign Iginla ..
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Jovocop » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:44 am

herb wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:Signing Iggy would be worth it just to see the massive meltdown at the mongoloid farm .


Here, here.

Plus Iggy would be a good mentor to young Kassian.


Also, he would have more chances to pounce on Kesler. :mrgreen:
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:50 am

Tiger wrote:
herb wrote:I can understand going after Iginla, but I don't know why he'd sign here either other than he loves Benning and Boston can't afford him.


OK the Dude has gone soft and mushy.. so someones gotta stir the pot :)

Iginla isn't coming here unless he is money motivated and the Canucks overpay him bigtime..
We are not a "middle of the pack team", let alone a contender. Gillis guaranteed that with his NT and NM deals.
We are stuck with the twins for 4 years at 7 mill each plus we kept our worst top 4 dman ( Edler ) . The Sedins have been in decline since 2011 .. Edlers stats speak for themself.. Kesler left a sinking ship to go to a contender . He had a so so year last year but was still the only Canuck to score over 20 goals.. So now we got an AHL coach and a team that might win a few games but surely is not going to make the playoffs.. If they really wanted to build a 'contender" they would have kept Booth used the compliance buyout to buy out Danny and kissed Keslers butt to keep him and built around him ( yeah, not much difference between a prick and an Asshole except when he is leaving )..
So in the last 2 years we have consistently made the wrong decisions.. Gillis should of been gone 2 years ago . The Sedin's should never been signed for 4 more years.. and Edler should have been traded for a tweener like we got for Kesler. We got 19 Mill in salary against the cap with 3 swedes that are vastly overpaid and we are no longer a contender and will not make the playoffs with the team as is even if we do sign Iginla ..

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby herb » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:01 am

Tiger wrote:Iginla isn't coming here unless he is money motivated and the Canucks overpay him bigtime..
We are not a "middle of the pack team", let alone a contender. Gillis guaranteed that with his NT and NM deals.
We are stuck with the twins for 4 years at 7 mill each plus we kept our worst top 4 dman ( Edler ) . The Sedins have been in decline since 2011 .. Edlers stats speak for themself.. Kesler left a sinking ship to go to a contender . He had a so so year last year but was still the only Canuck to score over 20 goals.. So now we got an AHL coach and a team that might win a few games but surely is not going to make the playoffs.. If they really wanted to build a 'contender" they would have kept Booth used the compliance buyout to buy out Danny and kissed Keslers butt to keep him and built around him ( yeah, not much difference between a prick and an Asshole except when he is leaving )..
So in the last 2 years we have consistently made the wrong decisions.. Gillis should of been gone 2 years ago . The Sedin's should never been signed for 4 more years.. and Edler should have been traded for a tweener like we got for Kesler. We got 19 Mill in salary against the cap with 3 swedes that are vastly overpaid and we are no longer a contender and will not make the playoffs with the team as is even if we do sign Iginla ..


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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Arachnid » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:11 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Tiger wrote:
herb wrote:I can understand going after Iginla, but I don't know why he'd sign here either other than he loves Benning and Boston can't afford him.


OK the Dude has gone soft and mushy.. so someones gotta stir the pot :)

Iginla isn't coming here unless he is money motivated and the Canucks overpay him bigtime..
We are not a "middle of the pack team", let alone a contender. Gillis guaranteed that with his NT and NM deals.
We are stuck with the twins for 4 years at 7 mill each plus we kept our worst top 4 dman ( Edler ) . The Sedins have been in decline since 2011 .. Edlers stats speak for themself.. Kesler left a sinking ship to go to a contender . He had a so so year last year but was still the only Canuck to score over 20 goals.. So now we got an AHL coach and a team that might win a few games but surely is not going to make the playoffs.. If they really wanted to build a 'contender" they would have kept Booth used the compliance buyout to buy out Danny and kissed Keslers butt to keep him and built around him ( yeah, not much difference between a prick and an Asshole except when he is leaving )..
So in the last 2 years we have consistently made the wrong decisions.. Gillis should of been gone 2 years ago . The Sedin's should never been signed for 4 more years.. and Edler should have been traded for a tweener like we got for Kesler. We got 19 Mill in salary against the cap with 3 swedes that are vastly overpaid and we are no longer a contender and will not make the playoffs with the team as is even if we do sign Iginla ..

What a ridiculous post


He speaks the truth...come on Blobby, a rookie coach, same stale core, only UFAs to improve us, buncha rookies and sophomores...if it ain't tank'n I don't know what is, JB & TL are just not as obvious as the Subres, Laughs and cOilers about tit.

We are not a contender so why try to be?! We are on a 3-4 year project rebuild, The Aqualungs just can't say that as they need to sell tix in a wishy-washy market.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Reefer2 » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:17 am

Arachnid wrote:
He speaks the truth...come on Blobby, a rookie coach, same stale core, only UFAs to improve us, buncha rookies and sophomores...if it ain't tank'n I don't know what is, JB & TL are just not as obvious as the Subres, Laughs and cOilers about tit.

We are not a contender so why try to be?! We are on a 3-4 year project rebuild, The Aqualungs just can't say that as they need to sell tix in a wishy-washy market.


I agree, that is what I mean. I dont see how signing 1 - 2 UFA will help this team in anyway.

I am not saying tank it or anything but i really prefer to give icetime to the youth.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby SKYO » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:12 am

Gleason bought out,

Briere traded to Avs for PAP,

Josh Georges is rumoured to want out,

Sharks trying to trade Niemi so they can sign Miller.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Jovocop » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:53 am

This is quite interesting.

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
The Flames were aggressive pre-draft. Offered to take on Mike Ribeiro for 12th pick (Ribeiro wouldn't waive). Ultimately, he was bought out.


Another one...

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Flames made a trade offer for Cam Ward in exchange for Carolina's 7th pick. Obvious salary dump opportunity. Hurricanes declined.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Jovocop » Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:00 pm

The Canucks are indeed considering Iginla.

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Boston Canucker » Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:34 pm

Jovocop wrote:This is quite interesting.

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
The Flames were aggressive pre-draft. Offered to take on Mike Ribeiro for 12th pick (Ribeiro wouldn't waive). Ultimately, he was bought out.


Another one...

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
Flames made a trade offer for Cam Ward in exchange for Carolina's 7th pick. Obvious salary dump opportunity. Hurricanes declined.


So, the Flames called the Canes and said we'll take Ward off your hand if you give us your #1 pick? And similarly to the Coyotes too? I've seen these sort of salary dump deals before, but it's usually a 3rd/4th rounder...there's got to be something else here..."oh, you want our #1 goalie and all we have to do is give you a top 7 pick; great, sure, man, this ecstasy is great!"
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Strangelove » Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:51 pm

Tiger wrote:Iginla isn't coming here unless he is money motivated and the Canucks overpay him bigtime..


Or unless Benden sold him on The Plan (which we aren't privy to at this point).

Plus maybe a promise to trade him to a contender at the deadline if things go south?

Tiger wrote:We are not a "middle of the pack team", let alone a contender.


We don't know what we are yet until the rest of the moves are made.

We also don't know how much the Sedins will bounce back or how much some of the youngsters will step up.

Tiger wrote:So now we got an AHL coach...


Willie was an "associate head coach" in the NHL for 2 seasons.

And he was an exceptional AHL coach.

(note: the Penguins were after him)

Tiger wrote:and a team that might win a few games but surely is not going to make the playoffs..


Shouldn't we wait until they spend some of that $17m in cap-space before we make predictions?

Tiger wrote:If they really wanted to build a 'contender" they would have kept Booth used the compliance buyout to buy out Danny and kissed Keslers butt to keep him and built around him.


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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Island Nucklehead » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:13 pm

Strangelove wrote:Shouldn't we wait until they spend some of that $17m in cap-space before we make predictions?


Obviously, this what we're all waiting for. According to Capgeek we have $17.7M to spend, with Tanev, Kassian, and Vey as RFA's to sign. I'd wager Tanev will sign for $3-$3.5M, Kassian for $1.8-$2.2M. If we assume on the high end that both are signed for $5.7M, that still gives us $12M to spend. Vey will come cheap, around or just under $1M.

I'll go out on a limb and say the Canucks go after Iginla for $4.5M/year on a two-year deal, and then Miller on a 5 year, $30M contract. We'll be happy with Iginla, and we'll be pissed at the length of Miller's contract. Still think Hansen gets dealt as the odd man out of the bottom-6. Markstrom will be dumped. If Iginla comes to Vancouver, Burrows could go too. They'll kick the tires on Bolland, but won't go beyond 5 years. He'll get big money to go to Edmonton.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Topper » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:45 pm

Boston Canucker wrote:
Jovocop wrote:This is quite interesting.

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
The Flames were aggressive pre-draft. Offered to take on Mike Ribeiro for 12th pick (Ribeiro wouldn't waive). Ultimately, he was bought out.


Another one...

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
Flames made a trade offer for Cam Ward in exchange for Carolina's 7th pick. Obvious salary dump opportunity. Hurricanes declined.


So, the Flames called the Canes and said we'll take Ward off your hand if you give us your #1 pick? And similarly to the Coyotes too? I've seen these sort of salary dump deals before, but it's usually a 3rd/4th rounder...there's got to be something else here..."oh, you want our #1 goalie and all we have to do is give you a top 7 pick; great, sure, man, this ecstasy is great!"

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Hockey Widow » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:59 pm

dbr wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:So the Gagner story is weird. Tampa traded for him then was going to buy him out in a non compliance buy out. But Arizona came calling and he and Crombeen get sent there for a second. Plus word is Tampa retained 1/3 of Gagner's salary.


I guess the 1/3 number is what a buy out would have cost them (per year) at half the term. Not too shabby for the Bolts I guess, if they were prepared to buy him out anyway.

Hockey Widow wrote:Also, Garrison's NTC does not follow him and word is he is being shopped.


None of that makes sense to me. Garrison is UFA age so his NTC should have been in effect (ie. no Carter/Richards style trade before it took effect which is what invalidates them).

Furthermore the Lightning actually gave up something of (moderate) value for Garrison, unless Yzerman is literally just picking up guys he thinks he can flip (ie. he's going to get something better than the 50th pick) it doesn't make much sense to acquire someone they don't plan to keep.


Going by capgeek explanation


If a player has a full NMC, it travels with him even if he waives it to be traded. However, if the player is traded before his NMC takes effect, it automatically vaporizes unless — in rare circumstances — the acquiring club agrees in writing to be bound by it.
An NTC does not travel with a player if a) the player waives a full NTC or b) the player is traded within the terms of a limited or modified NTC. In addition, if the player is traded before his NTC takes effect, it vaporizes unless — in rare circumstances — the acquiring club agrees in writing to be bound by it.


So if accurate, Garrison could be traded to Montreal for Gorges.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby dbr » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:10 pm

Interesting. Almost seems like a limited NTC is more durable (for lack of a better word) than a full one. Ie. you never have to "waive" it.
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