Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby dangler » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:26 pm

Topper wrote:
Hank wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:I wonder if those that don't like Bennngs trade so far get it now. A cap dump is about moving a player or players that no longer fit your vision of the team. If the market don't pay, you get squat.


Bang on HW.

I'd trade Burrows for a 6th round pick right now. Dumping his contract for squat is a good deal.

I'd squat and dump on Burrows' contract right now.


I'd be surprised if a # of teams where not interested in his services, maybe Benning can git a 'lil sumthin,sumthin for him :mex:
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:41 pm

Topper wrote:
Hank wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:I wonder if those that don't like Bennngs trade so far get it now. A cap dump is about moving a player or players that no longer fit your vision of the team. If the market don't pay, you get squat.


Bang on HW.

I'd trade Burrows for a 6th round pick right now. Dumping his contract for squat is a good deal.

I'd squat and dump on Burrows' contract right now.


I'd squat and dump on BurningBeards car right now.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby sagebrush » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:44 pm

dangler wrote:
Topper wrote:
Hank wrote:I'd trade Burrows for a 6th round pick right now. Dumping his contract for squat is a good deal.

I'd squat and dump on Burrows' contract right now.


I'd be surprised if a # of teams where not interested in his services, maybe Benning can git a 'lil sumthin,sumthin for him :mex:

Burrows' contract hurts his value big time, but the Canadiens would like his home town fan appeal. They have some nice prospects.

Maybe if we throw in a Higgins or a Hansen. :idea:
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby BurningBeard » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:46 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Topper wrote:
Hank wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:I wonder if those that don't like Bennngs trade so far get it now. A cap dump is about moving a player or players that no longer fit your vision of the team. If the market don't pay, you get squat.


Bang on HW.

I'd trade Burrows for a 6th round pick right now. Dumping his contract for squat is a good deal.

I'd squat and dump on Burrows' contract right now.

I'd squat and dump on BurningBeards car right now.

Well... at least you're not doing it on my chest. So thanks for that. :thumbs:
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Hockey Widow » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:13 am

So the Gagner story is weird. Tampa traded for him then was going to buy him out in a non compliance buy out. But Arizona came calling and he and Crombeen get sent there for a second. Plus word is Tampa retained 1/3 of Gagner's salary.

Wonder why they didn't just buy out Purcell? (Edit: Seems Younger than age 26 at the time of buyout, 1/3 the remaining value Age 26 or older at the time of the buyout, 2/3 the remaining value. Which also explains why they were prepared to retain 1/3 of his salary)

They then trade Nate Thompson for a couple of picks.

Stevie says he knows what FAs he wants and who is interested and what it will take. So it looks like he is clearing the deck to make some moves.

Also, Garrison's NTC does not follow him and word is he is being shopped. Now that would suck if they sent him to a team that offered a lot more than a second but would prove once again that NTC are an evil thing :mrgreen:
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby SKYO » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:48 am

Columbus and Ryan Johansen far apart on his contract demands, the next ROR.

Highly unlikely he becomes available, so spitballin' could offer up (roster player) + Horvat + pick?
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Boston Canucker » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:01 am

Going after Iginla makes sense from a Canucks perspective - he can still score, veteran leader, character guy, big body - but I don't see him signing with us. He's after a cup, don't see him plying his trade for the next two years in Van helping the team get back on the upswing and almost surely not contend for a title. If Boston doesn't keep him, some other contender will probably get him I expect.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby dbr » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:20 am

Hockey Widow wrote:So the Gagner story is weird. Tampa traded for him then was going to buy him out in a non compliance buy out. But Arizona came calling and he and Crombeen get sent there for a second. Plus word is Tampa retained 1/3 of Gagner's salary.


I guess the 1/3 number is what a buy out would have cost them (per year) at half the term. Not too shabby for the Bolts I guess, if they were prepared to buy him out anyway.

Hockey Widow wrote:Also, Garrison's NTC does not follow him and word is he is being shopped.


None of that makes sense to me. Garrison is UFA age so his NTC should have been in effect (ie. no Carter/Richards style trade before it took effect which is what invalidates them).

Furthermore the Lightning actually gave up something of (moderate) value for Garrison, unless Yzerman is literally just picking up guys he thinks he can flip (ie. he's going to get something better than the 50th pick) it doesn't make much sense to acquire someone they don't plan to keep.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Reefer2 » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:01 am

Canucks need to make a plan, either go with you and have them learn or go after FA and try to compete nowing thinking the prospects they have now will be the future of this team.

I disagree getting Ehrhoff or Iginla or any other other 30 UFA, it makes no sense what so ever. Great we make the playoffs and get bounced in the first roung again, draft mid pick rinse repeat recyle. Do this all over again.

Seriously is that what they are tying to do?

Miller is different, he provides some vet presence in net, we don't need that in the forward group, there is enough leadership to use on the rookies.

If there are deals to be made for 25 - 28 year olds, then fine go for that but anything else just puts this team in the middle of the pack once again.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby ukcanuck » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:28 am

Reefer2 wrote:Canucks need to make a plan, either go with you and have them learn or go after FA and try to compete nowing thinking the prospects they have now will be the future of this team.

I disagree getting Ehrhoff or Iginla or any other other 30 UFA, it makes no sense what so ever. Great we make the playoffs and get bounced in the first roung again, draft mid pick rinse repeat recyle. Do this all over again.

Seriously is that what they are tying to do?

Miller is different, he provides some vet presence in net, we don't need that in the forward group, there is enough leadership to use on the rookies.

If there are deals to be made for 25 - 28 year olds, then fine go for that but anything else just puts this team in the middle of the pack once again.


I disagree you gotta have more than the twins, tweeners and inexperience or your youth won't develop. young players gotta have someone to follow into battle.
You also have to be able to have a chance to win 40 home games or the paying customer will vote with their feet.

A couple quality UFA vets is what this team needs now. Just so long as they are 2 year contracts... Maybe three for the right situation.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Boston Canucker » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:54 am

Reefer2 wrote:Canucks need to make a plan, either go with you and have them learn or go after FA and try to compete nowing thinking the prospects they have now will be the future of this team.

I disagree getting Ehrhoff or Iginla or any other other 30 UFA, it makes no sense what so ever. Great we make the playoffs and get bounced in the first roung again, draft mid pick rinse repeat recyle. Do this all over again.

Seriously is that what they are tying to do?

Miller is different, he provides some vet presence in net, we don't need that in the forward group, there is enough leadership to use on the rookies.

If there are deals to be made for 25 - 28 year olds, then fine go for that but anything else just puts this team in the middle of the pack once again.


I don't mind the Iginla idea (not that I think they will actually get him) because it would be 2 yrs max, if it happened. I don't see a full on tanking in the works here - especially if they grab Miller - as Benning's theory is young guys win in teams that are trying to win, getting playoff experience, even if just in first round. McDavid is likely not in our future (Buffalo is cornering the market there) Getting Iginla or other proven vets short term gives some coverage for the young guys to grow as the team rebuilds. If they throw mad money/term at any vets, yes, that's whacko, but Horvat etc are at least 2-3 years out of being real contributors. Iginla is actually ideal in many respects, still can contribute and seems like a good leader/model, but it makes zero sense why he'd sign with the Canucks.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby herb » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:02 am

I can understand going after Iginla, but I don't know why he'd sign here either other than he loves Benning and Boston can't afford him.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:15 am

Signing Iggy would be worth it just to see the massive meltdown at the mongoloid farm .
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby herb » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:26 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:Signing Iggy would be worth it just to see the massive meltdown at the mongoloid farm .


Here, here.

Plus Iggy would be a good mentor to young Kassian.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Island Nucklehead » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:28 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:Signing Iggy would be worth it just to see the massive meltdown at the mongoloid farm .
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