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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Betamax » Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:47 pm

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Island Nucklehead wrote:I'm sure the Flyers would go for it, but with Hartnell having a NMC, I don't see it working. He did seem to have fun with the Sedins during their time at the All-Star game ("Suck it Phaneuf!"), and I'd much rather have him than Burrows, but his contract ($4.75M until 2018-19 when he's 37) and NMC probably prevent it.


Don't like the idea of trading for an older player in his 30s for Edler. They have to get younger players/assets back. He was rumored to be going to the Bruins if the Kesler deal went through. Tampa might be another potential landing spot this off-season. Outside of Hedman, Carle (and the injured Salo), they have a no-name defense.


BTW, the obvious linkage here besides the location, and the player personnel itself is his connection with nowTampa Bay Associate Coach Rick Bowness who oversaw the Canucks' then vaunted defense during its back to back Presidents' Trophy and one SCF Finals appearance.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Betamax » Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:11 pm

So if it came down to the Pens' top prospect, Pouliot straight up for Kesler, would ya?

I know there was talk about former GMMG wanted Pouliot plus more in the package, and the Pens refusing to put him in their package especially with concerns over the future of Letang but if the conditions are that Pouliot has a strong rest of the WHL Playoffs, competes in the Memorial Cup ... I could see a scenario where they might even entertain trading him.

It would be somewhat similar to a Dallas trade of their top prospect, Iggy to Calgary for Nieuwendyk just under two decades ago.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby ClamRussel » Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:30 pm

Betamax wrote:It would be somewhat similar to a Dallas trade of their top prospect, Iggy to Calgary for Nieuwendyk just under two decades ago.


Yes, except not.

Gillis had it right in expecting a top flight prospect (Pouliot) + younger player (Sutter or Maata) + 1st round pick (Pens pick isn't exactly high). Anything less than that isn't worth it. There's no guarantees w/ prospects or picks, its high risk. The team is better off retaining Kesler and allowing younger centers like Horvat to come in gradually. Perhaps next year's trade deadline is a different story if there's no interest in Kesler resigning here, then perhaps straight up for a single top prospect is possible.

A prospect like Iginla, sure! That, Pouliot is not. I have not been overly impressed in the games I've seen him play. He looks...ok. Not straight-up-for-Kesler worthy.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Betamax » Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:36 pm

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Betamax wrote:It would be somewhat similar to a Dallas trade of their top prospect, Iggy to Calgary for Nieuwendyk just under two decades ago.


Yes, except not.

Gillis had it right in expecting a top flight prospect (Pouliot) + younger player (Sutter or Maata) + 1st round pick (Pens pick isn't exactly high). Anything less than that isn't worth it. There's no guarantees w/ prospects or picks, its high risk. The team is better off retaining Kesler and allowing younger centers like Horvat to come in gradually. Perhaps next year's trade deadline is a different story if there's no interest in Kesler resigning here, then perhaps straight up for a single top prospect is possible.

A prospect like Iginla, sure! That, Pouliot is not. I have not been overly impressed in the games I've seen him play. He looks...ok. Not straight-up-for-Kesler worthy.


Well, I'm taking a page from your Nylander stats arguments about a players' value being bumped up. He had 70 pts in 58 games as a D and has followed it up with 26 pts in 14 games in the Playoffs.

via: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdis ... pid=124697

But he is a 20 year old, so we are having the Dane Fox type numbers in junior inflation factor caveat.

The one thing the Canucks need to do for a "reset" is to move a key core member(s) either Kesler and/or Edler and not go through the lipstick on a pig thing with just a coaching change.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby ClamRussel » Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:39 pm

Betamax wrote:
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Betamax wrote:It would be somewhat similar to a Dallas trade of their top prospect, Iggy to Calgary for Nieuwendyk just under two decades ago.


Yes, except not.

Gillis had it right in expecting a top flight prospect (Pouliot) + younger player (Sutter or Maata) + 1st round pick (Pens pick isn't exactly high). Anything less than that isn't worth it. There's no guarantees w/ prospects or picks, its high risk. The team is better off retaining Kesler and allowing younger centers like Horvat to come in gradually. Perhaps next year's trade deadline is a different story if there's no interest in Kesler resigning here, then perhaps straight up for a single top prospect is possible.

A prospect like Iginla, sure! That, Pouliot is not. I have not been overly impressed in the games I've seen him play. He looks...ok. Not straight-up-for-Kesler worthy.


Well, I'm taking a page from your Nylander stats arguments about a players' value being bumped up. He had 70 pts in 58 games as a D and has followed it up with 26 pts in 14 games in the Playoffs.

via: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdis ... pid=124697

But he is a 20 year old, so we are having the Dane Fox type numbers in junior inflation factor caveat.

The one thing the Canucks need to do for a "reset" is to move a key core member(s) either Kesler and/or Edler and not go through the lipstick on a pig thing with just a coaching change.


Although he turned 20, he wasn't an overager like Fox...but ya still. Decent numbers. All the more reason he should have impressed more at the WJC. He just didn't look poised to me, didn't control the play (for a projected QB type prospect). He might turn out well, but I wouldn't feel good moving Kesler for him. Edler on the other hand...
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:42 pm

Kesler for Pouliot, Sutter, 2014 first

Edler to Tampa for 18th pick

2014 - 6th pick
2014 - 18th pick
2014 - Pitts 1st round pick
2014 - 36th pick

Four picks in the top 36 plus Pouliot and Sutter, the rebuild starts out on a real nice foot
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby ClamRussel » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:58 am

RoyalDude wrote:Kesler for Pouliot, Sutter, 2014 first

Edler to Tampa for 18th pick in 2015

2014 - 6th pick
2014 - Pitts 1st round pick
2014 - 36th pick

Three picks in the top 36, 2 picks in 2015 plus Pouliot and Sutter, the rebuild starts out on a real nice foot


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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Betamax » Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:11 am

RoyalDude wrote:Kesler for Pouliot, Sutter, 2014 first

Edler to Tampa for 18th pick

2014 - 6th pick
2014 - 18th pick
2014 - Pitts 1st round pick
2014 - 36th pick

Four picks in the top 36 plus Pouliot and Sutter, the rebuild starts out on a real nice foot


If the offers are only for a mid 1st round pick for Edler, I'd rather keep him and hope the new Coaching Staff they hire can extract utility from said player unlike the Three Stooges that were behind the bench this season. 8-)
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu May 01, 2014 12:39 pm

Halak traded to NYI for 4th round pick. Was not going to extend in Washington, wants to test FA so Washington gets something for him. Will be interesting to see if he signs with the NYI or waits. I'm kinda hoping the Canucks pick him up on a 2-3 year deal to platoon with Lack.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby ClamRussel » Thu May 01, 2014 12:54 pm

...and lose Markstrom? Highly doubt he'd clear waivers.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby herb » Thu May 01, 2014 1:50 pm

Markstrom is still waiver exempt there clam.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby ClamRussel » Thu May 01, 2014 1:56 pm

I've heard both... Regardless, seems to me he's ready for the NHL and needs to play. Nothing wrong w/ splitting games w/ Lack and see who comes out on top.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu May 01, 2014 2:02 pm

ClamRussel wrote:I've heard both... Regardless, seems to me he's ready for the NHL and needs to play. Nothing wrong w/ splitting games w/ Lack and see who comes out on top.



Ok, I qualify my statement with this, if Markstrom is still waiver exempt I would like them to bring in a Halak type, even for just one year. Let Lack have 40+ games in Vancouver and let Markstrom have 40+ in Utica working with Rollie the goalie. If Markstrom is not waiver exempt then I would not want to lose him for nothing. The option then of course is to trade him and still bring in an experienced goalie.

As it stands today I don't have a lot of confidence in those two, Jacob and Eddie, being our tandem. That could change I know.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Strangelove » Thu May 01, 2014 2:02 pm

herb wrote:Markstrom is still waiver exempt there clam.


Nope, after training camp this year he is NOT exempt.

I provided evidence of this in another post awhile back...

EDIT: viewtopic.php?p=200197#p200197
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu May 01, 2014 2:13 pm

Strangelove wrote:
herb wrote:Markstrom is still waiver exempt there clam.


Nope, after training camp this year he is NOT exempt.

I provided evidence of this in another post awhile back...

EDIT: viewtopic.php?p=200197#p200197



Thanks for that.

I would be looking seriously then at whether there is a trade market for him, either stand alone or as part of a package. Not because he lacks potential but because I think we are better suited to having someone with experience to back up Lack.
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