ClamRussel wrote: Based on MG's track record, and the Schneider deal in particular, the idea of trading Edler & Kesler scares the bejeezus out of me!
ClamRussel wrote:Was CS *really* shopped, or was it just to a select few GMs? If I recall correctly the Oilers were mad because they had a better offer on the table. Obviously it wasn't enough for MG to send him to a divisional rival. To me this was a surprise trade in the vein of the Thornton deal. Whereas if he was truly "shopped" the return would have been higher. Other GMs said so at the time, many of who had no idea Joe was even on the market.
dbr wrote:Assets just aren't very liquid in the NHL so IMO it's better to get the one you do want rather than taking something that was never on your list just because it is "more" - I mean looking at the next teams in the '13 draft Philly had just picked up a goaltender (and wouldn't know a high end one if it bit them on the ass) and then nobody else is looking all the way down to the Isles at 15th.
So do you take the Isles 15th overall pick and miss out on your guy just because it looks better to other people that we got "a first and two seconds" or what have you? Do you trade Cody Hodgson for Kyle Clifford and what ends up being the 30th overall pick just because that is a more numerous return than Zack Kassian? Etc.
Hockey Widow wrote:If I remember correctly there were a number of shocked GMs when the CS trade was announced. Common thought at the time was that MG demanded a high price to trade Cory to a divisional rival and teams like Edmonton balked at that. If I remember the ask was reportedly the number one and a good young roster player. I don't recall any rumours that other GMs had huge offers on the table that were rejected, just the opposite, they rejected MG's demands. As for Toronto, I doubt MG even gave them a sniff.
If Edmonton had offered their first and Yakupov they would have CS.
If Toronto offered their 1st and a young player they may have had him. If Calgary had offered their 1st and a roster player they could have had him. Any other team that may have been interested could have offered more. The fact NJD got him tells me no one over offered. The only teams that would have had to over offer were divisional rivals and perhaps the Leafs.
But I don't recall anywhere where MG left a treasure on the table rather than deal CS to a divisional team.
BigTuna wrote:the value of goalies is crap right now.
ClamRussel wrote:Art Vandelay wrote:Don Cherry stated it on Coaches Corner , well it must be true if he stated it. A small fortune eh ? How many blueberries could be purchased for a small fortune ?
Ya Cherry doesn't have any connections in hockey. Another great contribution!
Hockey Widow wrote:It's so hard to say at this point. The excuse we are being sold is that the number of injuries are not only devastating but precedent setting. While I buy that we have been decimated by injuries I don't buy the precedent setting line. It misses the systemic problem, lack of depth.