Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Post by Jovocop » Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:09 pm

mathonwy wrote:
Lancer wrote:Del Zotto traded to Nashville for Klein.

Straight.

Up.

:eh:

A steal for Nashville, without a doubt. Yeah, Klein is a solid D man but yeesh - I do believe Del Zotto has better upside.

Makes you wonder the rationale behind it because you have to believe Sather had better offers from elsewhere. Makes you also wonder if Nashville is done with its blueline - even if the next moves aren't until after the season.
I think the trade is a wash (at this point of time) for both teams. You're trading an offensive Dman in MDZ for a defensive DMan in Klein. Big age difference though. Klein is 29 and MDZ is 23.

Of course it doesn't really address the up front deficiencies of Smashville..
Would MG trade Tanev for Del Zotto straight up? The Canucks need an offensive defenseman to run the powerplay. AV would love to have Tanev.

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Post by SKYO » Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:30 pm

Jovocop wrote: Would MG trade Tanev for Del Zotto straight up? The Canucks need an offensive defenseman to run the powerplay. AV would love to have Tanev.
MG doesn't have the cojones to pull that off.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Post by Listercat » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:21 pm

Why would you make that trade? Tanev's stats are better than Del Zotto's across the board plus he is far more reliable defensively.
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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Post by Aaronp18 » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:34 pm

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Jovocop wrote: Would MG trade Tanev for Del Zotto straight up? The Canucks need an offensive defenseman to run the powerplay. AV would love to have Tanev.
MG doesn't have the cojones to pull that off.
No, but he has the brains not to.

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Post by herb » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:55 pm

I have no idea why some people are so quick to suggest trading Tanev.

The acquisitions of Tanev and Stanton have been two of Gillis’ most deft moves to date. The fan base cries every day that the cupboards are bare and that the core is getting to old, yet some suggest moving one of our best young assets for a guy with a bunch of question marks. I don’t get it.

Moving forward, Tanev may be the last defenseman I would want to see moved.

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Post by Jovocop » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:03 pm

Listercat wrote:Why would you make that trade? Tanev's stats are better than Del Zotto's across the board plus he is far more reliable defensively.
As I mentioned before, the Canucks need an offensive defenseman.

Del Zotto, 292GP, 26G (8 of the 26 were powerplay goals), 95A, -4, 0.41ppg
Tanev, 143GP, 7G, 16A, +19, 0.16ppg.

1. Tanev > Zotto defensively but Zotto > Tanev offensively
2. Zotto is younger than Tanev
3. Zotto used to play for Torts

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Post by RyanGinger » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:04 pm

SKYO wrote:
Jovocop wrote: Would MG trade Tanev for Del Zotto straight up? The Canucks need an offensive defenseman to run the powerplay. AV would love to have Tanev.
MG doesn't have the cojones to pull that off.
Traded Hodgson for Kassian, which at the time was pretty crazy.

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Post by Jovocop » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:09 pm

herb wrote:I have no idea why some people are so quick to suggest trading Tanev.

The acquisitions of Tanev and Stanton have been two of Gillis’ most deft moves to date. The fan base cries every day that the cupboards are bare and that the core is getting to old, yet some suggest moving one of our best young assets for a guy with a bunch of question marks. I don’t get it.

Moving forward, Tanev may be the last defenseman I would want to see moved.
Don't get me wrong, I love Tanev as a player. He is the best young defenseman that the Canucks have. Stanton is good but I doubt his value is not as high as Tanev. To get some help on the powerplay, the Canucks need to give up something for it. Tanev is definitely one of the players that the Rangers would be interested.

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Post by BladesofSteel » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:10 pm

Tanev has more trade value than that of a struggling MDZ who has been known to be on the block for some time now.

Tanev > Klein
Tanev > MDZ

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Post by Jovocop » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:38 pm

BladesofSteel wrote:Tanev has more trade value than that of a struggling MDZ who has been known to be on the block for some time now.

Tanev > Klein
Tanev > MDZ
That is a fair assessment.

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Post by mathonwy » Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:13 pm

Torts was the coach of the 2011/12 Rags when Del Zotto had his most productive season of his young career.

It would probably be safe to assume that if MDZ WAS worth it, the Canucks would have pulled the trigger on a trade.

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Post by Island Nucklehead » Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:01 pm

mathonwy wrote:Torts was the coach of the 2011/12 Rags when Del Zotto had his most productive season of his young career.

It would probably be safe to assume that if MDZ WAS worth it, the Canucks would have pulled the trigger on a trade.
Yep. It's not like Del Zotto hasn't been on the trade block for a while. I can't imagine that MG wouldn't approach Torts to get his input on the guy.

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Post by Topper » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:15 pm

RyanGinger wrote:
SKYO wrote:
Jovocop wrote: Would MG trade Tanev for Del Zotto straight up? The Canucks need an offensive defenseman to run the powerplay. AV would love to have Tanev.
MG doesn't have the cojones to pull that off.
Traded Hodgson for Kassian, which at the time was pretty crazy.

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Post by herb » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:09 am

Jovocop wrote:
Listercat wrote:Why would you make that trade? Tanev's stats are better than Del Zotto's across the board plus he is far more reliable defensively.
As I mentioned before, the Canucks need an offensive defenseman.

Del Zotto, 292GP, 26G (8 of the 26 were powerplay goals), 95A, -4, 0.41ppg
Tanev, 143GP, 7G, 16A, +19, 0.16ppg.

1. Tanev > Zotto defensively but Zotto > Tanev offensively
2. Zotto is younger than Tanev
3. Zotto used to play for Torts
If the Canucks need (another) offensive defenseman, trade Garrison or Edler.

In the NHL nowadays you cannot trade your young, cheap useful players and expect to be competitive.

BTW, over the last two seasons Del Zotto has 5 goals, 27 assists and 32 points in 88 games played. Tanev has 7 goals, 13 assists and 20 points in 89 games played, plus he is defensively one of our most consistent players. Tanev’s production is clearly on the upswing, while Del Zotto has been in and out of coach’s doghouses and has seen a massive dip inhis offensive production. Not to mention Tanev is a RHS.

Torts loves Tanev, btw.

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Re: Trades and rumours (& fantasies) 2013-14

Post by SKYO » Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:04 pm

Tanev won't be cheap next season with his new contract and imho he will get a crap load of injuries when he's a little older as he's always getting rocked into the boards all the time.

Sell high!
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