OOTS: 2013-14

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Re: OOTS: 2013-14

Post by Strangelove » Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:06 pm

Penguins had litterly half their team out... still beat the Leaves.

The Leaves SUCK, their young goaltenders, standing on their heads, carried them to start the season.

But that only lasts so long, eventually all that "being hung out to dry" stuff wears on goalies.

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Re: OOTS: 2013-14

Post by Island Nucklehead » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:47 pm

Tom Wilson absolutely murders Brayden Schenn, who turned as the hit was delivered. Head-first, into the boards. Schenn was up and down about 4 times trying to get back to the bench. I'm guessing he can't tell which way is up, and will require unlit rooms for the next 2-3 weeks. Flyers score 2 on the 5 minute PP. Schenn turned, so I don't know if there's going to be a suspension, but my Gawd what a hit!

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Re: OOTS: 2013-14

Post by dbr » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:51 pm

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Wilson's already flying at the blueline and takes a few more strides before he obliterates Schenn (wtf was he thinking turning like that), calling it a charge seems pretty cut and dried to me.

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Re: OOTS: 2013-14

Post by Arachnid » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:02 pm

Strangelove wrote:Penguins had litterly half their team out... still beat the Leaves.

The Leaves SUCK, their young goaltenders, standing on their heads, carried them to start the season.

But that only lasts so long, eventually all that "being hung out to dry" stuff wears on goalies.

One of the worst groups of dee in the league, and a team severely lacking in character.
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Re: OOTS: 2013-14

Post by rats19 » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:31 pm

2pts out of 4th place in the league..
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Re: OOTS: 2013-14

Post by Meds » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:40 pm

dbr wrote:Image

edit: even better:


Wilson's already flying at the blueline and takes a few more strides before he obliterates Schenn (wtf was he thinking turning like that), calling it a charge seems pretty cut and dried to me.
That's the kind of shit that should result in a player being suspended for a month or more, if not the year. He's coming almost full speed, and then takes a stride or two to accelerate before contact. It is the kind of hit that could end a player's career or put him out indefinitely. There is absolutely no need for it.

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Re: OOTS: 2013-14

Post by BurningBeard » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:47 pm

Meds wrote:It is the kind of hit that could end a player's career or put him out indefinitely.
Or end a player's life. He's seriously lucky he's wearing a helmet.
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Re: OOTS: 2013-14

Post by Per » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:45 am

BurningBeard wrote:
Meds wrote:It is the kind of hit that could end a player's career or put him out indefinitely.
Or end a player's life. He's seriously lucky he's wearing a helmet.
This is the kind of bullshit that needs to be taken out of the game.

Some capitals players claimed it was a clean hit. I shake my head in disbelief. It was clearly charging, he hit im in the back, and in the most dangerous situation there is, sending him head first into the boards. Clearly predatory. Wilson should get a long, long rest.

I hope Schenn will recover well, but every concussion means brain damage. They need to be taken out of the game. I mean, sure. It's a physical high speed game, so there'll never be a risk free game, but we can't tolerate that the number of concussions is as high as it is now. They should be the rare freak exception. Not something that happens every other game.
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Re: OOTS: 2013-14

Post by dbr » Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:57 am

Schenn did turn though.

He was going to get obliterated anyway but you can't see a hit like that coming and turn away from it, it's just the worst thing you can do for yourself.

(edit: I guess my point is that it makes it tough to suspend for the injury in cases like this, which obviously the league does. IMO give Wilson a few games for a reckless run at a player so you can really throw the book at him if he keeps it up in the future but Schenn put himself in a really bad spot.)

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Re: OOTS: 2013-14

Post by Island Nucklehead » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:05 am

dbr wrote:Schenn did turn though.

He was going to get obliterated anyway but you can't see a hit like that coming and turn away from it, it's just the worst thing you can do for yourself.

(edit: I guess my point is that it makes it tough to suspend for the injury in cases like this, which obviously the league does. IMO give Wilson a few games for a reckless run at a player so you can really throw the book at him if he keeps it up in the future but Schenn put himself in a really bad spot.)
Yep. Schenn did turn.

This is why the league has fucked itself with it's silly 1-2 game suspension policy. If slamming a guy from behind into the glass is only worth 2-3 games (Phaneuf, Peluso), or kneeing a downed player in the head accidentally on purpose worth 5 games, what is a charging/boarding Major worth? 1 Game? A fine? How much of a deterrent is 1 game or $10G's? None.

Similarly, if this is worth 2 games, then a dirtier hit (checking from behind) should be worth 5, the knee 10. If the NHL wants to bring respect back into the game, then the players need to start understanding that a 10 game suspension for dirty checks is a real possibility, and with it the loss of several hundred K in salary.

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Re: OOTS: 2013-14

Post by dbr » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:26 am

Yeah.

I guess at this point they are more worried about the potential Raffi Torres (who I keep thinking of when I see this hit, difference being that Torres tended to be gliding by the last 10-15 feet of his approach) and Matt Cookes out there.

Giving Wilson a couple of games right now gets him onto the radar at least, both as a "repeat offender" (losing more money with subsequent suspensions, in the next 18 months anyways) and in terms of giving themselves the ammunition to throw the book at him in the future if he doesn't learn from this.

But I agree that in general things would be better if the league were in a position to just give guys 10 games here, 20 games there.

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Re: OOTS: 2013-14

Post by herb » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:05 am

IMO a 10+ game suspension should be the minimum for blatantly obvious dirty hits like this where a guy gets KO'd. The league shouldn't even bat an eye at suspending Wilson for that number of games.

Hitting and body contact are certainly a big part of hockey, but too many guys go for monster hits like it's the only aspect of hockey.

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Re: OOTS: 2013-14

Post by ukcanuck » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:43 am

herb wrote:IMO a 10+ game suspension should be the minimum for blatantly obvious dirty hits like this where a guy gets KO'd. The league shouldn't even bat an eye at suspending Wilson for that number of games.

Hitting and body contact are certainly a big part of hockey, but too many guys go for monster hits like it's the only aspect of hockey.
I love those monster hits but only when they are up front and the other guy can see it coming. A tough hit where the hitter isn't lying in the weeds or chicken shit blindsiding.

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Re: OOTS: 2013-14

Post by Benjo » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:25 pm

Garbage situational awareness by Schenn there. Definitely charging by Wilson but Schenn made it so much worse for himself. Why in the hell would you turn your back when your 3 feet from the boards?

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Re: OOTS: 2013-14

Post by BurningBeard » Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:36 pm

Phone hearing scheduled. Tom Wilson is going to get 5 or less.

People are all over Schenn for turning towards the boards, and obviously that was a horrible choice on his part, but honestly I can't say I blame him, that's reflex. He sees the hit coming at the last second and turns away from it.
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